Pickoffs should use pitcher energy.

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It could be as little as 1/4 or a 1/2 pitch energy, but there needs to be some deterrent, especially for the CPU.

In the Kenley Moment, for instance, Jansen threw over 10 times in-a-row, at one point. When I would get him up to 60+ pitches, he would have thrown over 100+ times with no effect.

Against other players, it could cost less, or catchers could be better at catching runners, but, in long moments, the CPU needs to be discouraged from dragging them out.

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I would agree if it didnt mean that players would have to choose between using their pitchers stamina and preventing an all speed cheese team from dancing and taking stupid leads. Especially in a BR situation. Bullpen arms already have no stamina, in BR its even less, and youre going to take even more away for this

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@bossman_277 said in Pickoffs should use pitcher energy.:

I would agree if it didnt mean that players would have to choose between using their pitchers stamina and preventing an all speed cheese team from dancing and taking stupid leads. Especially in a BR situation. Bullpen arms already have no stamina, in BR its even less, and youre going to take even more away for this

This.

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@bossman_277 said in Pickoffs should use pitcher energy.:

I would agree if it didnt mean that players would have to choose between using their pitchers stamina and preventing an all speed cheese team from dancing and taking stupid leads. Especially in a BR situation. Bullpen arms already have no stamina, in BR its even less, and youre going to take even more away for this

This is why I'd be willing to force a compromise of sorts, even going so far as to disable the energy drain in PvP modes.

In my experience, it's considerably more of an issue vs. the CPU, as they will throw over interminably.

Most human players won't throw over more than two consecutive times, and they, unlike the CPU, will alternate with step-offs.

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In online play h2h pickoffs use a tiny amount of stamina each time. Just performing a step off doesn't though.

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I think kenley has taken a rent free residency in your dome

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I said it once before, it needs to be a QTE. Pitcher has a timed option like in RTTS throws to press a button. That button appears for the runner to press, if they press right they're safe. Get it wrong and you're done. Timing window decreases with each difficulty.

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Taking extra leads and having to dive back should use runner energy.

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@Ryan_2713 said in Pickoffs should use pitcher energy.:

I think kenley has taken a rent free residency in your dome

He is never leaving lol.

I actually did the Diaz-Dodgers comeback, last night, and he did the same thing: it became readily apparent that the CPU just loves wasting time.

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@Trevor-Story said in Pickoffs should use pitcher energy.:

I said it once before, it needs to be a QTE. Pitcher has a timed option like in RTTS throws to press a button. That button appears for the runner to press, if they press right they're safe. Get it wrong and you're done. Timing window decreases with each difficulty.

Yes

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@ag1982 said in Pickoffs should use pitcher energy.:

Taking extra leads and having to dive back should use runner energy.

Okay lol.

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@Chuck_Dizzle29 said in Pickoffs should use pitcher energy.:

In online play h2h pickoffs use a tiny amount of stamina each time. Just performing a step off doesn't though.

If i am not mistaken u can only step off a certain amount of times b4 it makes you pitch though right? But opponents can sit there and spam lead- off knowing the game hardly ever picks anybody off.

Part of the reason i would like to see Legends and flashbacks with a pickoff perk to keep those spammers at bay.

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@GrizzBear55 said in Pickoffs should use pitcher energy.:

@Chuck_Dizzle29 said in Pickoffs should use pitcher energy.:

In online play h2h pickoffs use a tiny amount of stamina each time. Just performing a step off doesn't though.

If i am not mistaken u can only step off a certain amount of times b4 it makes you pitch though right? But opponents can sit there and spam lead- off knowing the game hardly ever picks anybody off.

Part of the reason i would like to see Legends and flashbacks with a pickoff perk to keep those spammers at bay.

You can step off an infinite amount of times. I've had 15 minute duels of pettiness doing this.

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@LankyRyan said in Pickoffs should use pitcher energy.:

@GrizzBear55 said in Pickoffs should use pitcher energy.:

@Chuck_Dizzle29 said in Pickoffs should use pitcher energy.:

In online play h2h pickoffs use a tiny amount of stamina each time. Just performing a step off doesn't though.

If i am not mistaken u can only step off a certain amount of times b4 it makes you pitch though right? But opponents can sit there and spam lead- off knowing the game hardly ever picks anybody off.

Part of the reason i would like to see Legends and flashbacks with a pickoff perk to keep those spammers at bay.

You can step off an infinite amount of times. I've had 15 minute duels of pettiness doing this.

You can step off an infinite amount of times only if the runner takes a lead. The game does restrict you to three stepoffs if no lead is taken.

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@eatyum said in Pickoffs should use pitcher energy.:

@LankyRyan said in Pickoffs should use pitcher energy.:

@GrizzBear55 said in Pickoffs should use pitcher energy.:

@Chuck_Dizzle29 said in Pickoffs should use pitcher energy.:

In online play h2h pickoffs use a tiny amount of stamina each time. Just performing a step off doesn't though.

If i am not mistaken u can only step off a certain amount of times b4 it makes you pitch though right? But opponents can sit there and spam lead- off knowing the game hardly ever picks anybody off.

Part of the reason i would like to see Legends and flashbacks with a pickoff perk to keep those spammers at bay.

You can step off an infinite amount of times. I've had 15 minute duels of pettiness doing this.

You can step off an infinite amount of times only if the runner takes a lead. The game does restrict you to three stepoffs if no lead is taken.

Ah, well that makes sense.

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@eatyum said in Pickoffs should use pitcher energy.:

@LankyRyan said in Pickoffs should use pitcher energy.:

@GrizzBear55 said in Pickoffs should use pitcher energy.:

@Chuck_Dizzle29 said in Pickoffs should use pitcher energy.:

In online play h2h pickoffs use a tiny amount of stamina each time. Just performing a step off doesn't though.

If i am not mistaken u can only step off a certain amount of times b4 it makes you pitch though right? But opponents can sit there and spam lead- off knowing the game hardly ever picks anybody off.

Part of the reason i would like to see Legends and flashbacks with a pickoff perk to keep those spammers at bay.

You can step off an infinite amount of times. I've had 15 minute duels of pettiness doing this.

You can step off an infinite amount of times only if the runner takes a lead. The game does restrict you to three stepoffs if no lead is taken.

Good to know ty

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@LankyRyan said in Pickoffs should use pitcher energy.:

@GrizzBear55 said in Pickoffs should use pitcher energy.:

@Chuck_Dizzle29 said in Pickoffs should use pitcher energy.:

In online play h2h pickoffs use a tiny amount of stamina each time. Just performing a step off doesn't though.

If i am not mistaken u can only step off a certain amount of times b4 it makes you pitch though right? But opponents can sit there and spam lead- off knowing the game hardly ever picks anybody off.

Part of the reason i would like to see Legends and flashbacks with a pickoff perk to keep those spammers at bay.

You can step off an infinite amount of times. I've had 15 minute duels of pettiness doing this.

Just what we need lol.

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