Somewhat Scientific CAP Swing Testing (T. Hernandez winning)

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Current Results
Teoscar Hernandez edged out Matt Olson in a 120AB practice mode final run-off against Kluber and Paxton/Chapman.

Hernandez had 252 total bases on 80 hits. Olson had 242 total bases, 76 hits.

Method
I created a practice mode team of all CAPs and gave them each a different "meta" swing. I've "tested" about 40 such hitters thus far.

I gave them 10 at-bats apiece against a meta righty and meta lefty, then measured comparable total bases and hits. If they seemed like absolute junk in the first go, I went ahead and eliminated them. While still not a sufficient sample size, guys like Hernandez, Olson, (and to a lesser extent) O'Hearn, and Pete Alonso were markedly better than the guys I eliminated quickly.

Once I eliminated a player's swing, I'd add a different meta-swing to the CAP and then I'd continue getting more ABs with the front-runners -- until a gap in outcome became noticeable enough to once again make some cuts. (Since I am looking for one dominant player-swing, I am not interested in finding out how players rank once it seems they aren't going to be the winner.)

This is how I ended up with Hernandez and Olson in a run-off.

And of the swings I've tested so far, I do feel they were distinctively better for me.

Who Cares?

  1. I'm sharing in case the Hernandez swing turns out helpful for you as well.

  2. And also to welcome feedback on improving the testing approach.

  3. And also to welcome suggestions on who you think could give Hernandez a run for his money.

More (Potentially Wrong/Useless, In This Case) Info
Another thing I'm working on is A/B testing different swing adjustments to Hernandez's core swing in order to determine what individual mechanic elements may account for "glitchiness".

One interesting observation so far, is that there seems to be an extremely high percentage of "glitchy" stances with NARROW feet spacing prior to their stride. It also seems like having a closed-ish stance is better than open.

That's about it for now.

tldr;
Last time I was awake for 3 days, I opened 10,000 packs. This time, I took 1000 practice mode ABs.

Insomnia (and adderall) is a helluva drug.

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@Josh_KCK said in Somewhat Scientific CAP Swing Testing (T. Hernandez winning):

Current Results
Teoscar Hernandez edged out Matt Olson in a 120AB practice mode final run-off against Kluber and Paxton/Chapman.

Hernandez had 252 total bases on 80 hits. Olson had 242 total bases, 76 hits.

Method
I created a practice mode team of all CAPs and gave them each a different "meta" swing. I've "tested" about 40 such hitters thus far.

I gave them 10 at-bats apiece against a meta righty and meta lefty, then measured comparable total bases and hits. If they seemed like absolute junk in the first go, I went ahead and eliminated them. While still not a sufficient sample size, guys like Hernandez, Olson, (and to a lesser extent) O'Hearn, and Pete Alonso were markedly better than the guys I eliminated quickly.

Once I eliminated a player's swing, I'd add a different meta-swing to the CAP and then I'd continue getting more ABs with the front-runners -- until a gap in outcome became noticeable enough to once again make some cuts. (Since I am looking for one dominant player-swing, I am not interested in finding out how players rank once it seems they aren't going to be the winner.)

This is how I ended up with Hernandez and Olson in a run-off.

And of the swings I've tested so far, I do feel they were distinctively better for me.

Who Cares?

  1. I'm sharing in case the Hernandez swing turns out helpful for you as well.

  2. And also to welcome feedback on improving the testing approach.

  3. And also to welcome suggestions on who you think could give Hernandez a run for his money.

More (Potentially Wrong/Useless, In This Case) Info
Another thing I'm working on is A/B testing different swing adjustments to Hernandez's core swing in order to determine what individual mechanic elements may account for "glitchiness".

One interesting observation so far, is that there seems to be an extremely high percentage of "glitchy" stances with NARROW feet spacing prior to their stride. It also seems like having a closed-ish stance is better than open.

That's about it for now.

tldr;
Last time I was awake for 3 days, I opened 10,000 packs. This time, I took 1000 practice mode ABs.

Insomnia (and adderall) is a helluva drug.

You sound like me

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I’ve been using Adam LaRoache’s animation this year and really like it.

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Great info. You don’t have to list all 40, but of the popular swings that you have heard, who have you tested? I’ve heard a lot about how chipper has a good swing. I use Kenny lofton. Mondesi is popular. Brian Roberts swing was nice for me early on. Tony Gwynn. Didi’s swing is very quick. I like Deitrich’s too. I’m sure there is more, but of those guys and any other popular swings did you test any?

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I swear by Veteran stance 151 Jonny Gomes stance/swing. You have to test this out on a switch- hitting CAP it’s a barreled the ball up quick swing. So glitchy

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@RonnieGant1992 said in Somewhat Scientific CAP Swing Testing (T. Hernandez winning):

@Josh_KCK said in Somewhat Scientific CAP Swing Testing (T. Hernandez winning):

Current Results
Teoscar Hernandez edged out Matt Olson in a 120AB practice mode final run-off against Kluber and Paxton/Chapman.

Hernandez had 252 total bases on 80 hits. Olson had 242 total bases, 76 hits.

Method
I created a practice mode team of all CAPs and gave them each a different "meta" swing. I've "tested" about 40 such hitters thus far.

I gave them 10 at-bats apiece against a meta righty and meta lefty, then measured comparable total bases and hits. If they seemed like absolute junk in the first go, I went ahead and eliminated them. While still not a sufficient sample size, guys like Hernandez, Olson, (and to a lesser extent) O'Hearn, and Pete Alonso were markedly better than the guys I eliminated quickly.

Once I eliminated a player's swing, I'd add a different meta-swing to the CAP and then I'd continue getting more ABs with the front-runners -- until a gap in outcome became noticeable enough to once again make some cuts. (Since I am looking for one dominant player-swing, I am not interested in finding out how players rank once it seems they aren't going to be the winner.)

This is how I ended up with Hernandez and Olson in a run-off.

And of the swings I've tested so far, I do feel they were distinctively better for me.

Who Cares?

  1. I'm sharing in case the Hernandez swing turns out helpful for you as well.

  2. And also to welcome feedback on improving the testing approach.

  3. And also to welcome suggestions on who you think could give Hernandez a run for his money.

More (Potentially Wrong/Useless, In This Case) Info
Another thing I'm working on is A/B testing different swing adjustments to Hernandez's core swing in order to determine what individual mechanic elements may account for "glitchiness".

One interesting observation so far, is that there seems to be an extremely high percentage of "glitchy" stances with NARROW feet spacing prior to their stride. It also seems like having a closed-ish stance is better than open.

That's about it for now.

tldr;
Last time I was awake for 3 days, I opened 10,000 packs. This time, I took 1000 practice mode ABs.

Insomnia (and adderall) is a helluva drug.

You sound like me

"Line drive and a base hit! Justice is scoring the tying run. Bream to the plate, and he is...

SAAAAAFE! Safe at the plate.

The Braves go to the World Series."

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@AJ_Franks said in Somewhat Scientific CAP Swing Testing (T. Hernandez winning):

Great info. You don’t have to list all 40, but of the popular swings that you have heard, who have you tested? I’ve heard a lot about how chipper has a good swing. I use Kenny lofton. Mondesi is popular. Brian Roberts swing was nice for me early on. Tony Gwynn. Didi’s swing is very quick. I like Deitrich’s too. I’m sure there is more, but of those guys and any other popular swings did you test any?

First, I know I need to test Mondesi, but I kind of just didn't want to. He rakes but I also wanted more loft than I feel he gets. I'll do him next.

The other guys I considered except Brian Roberts, and I'll throw them all in. I was hoping to try to find guys who seem to have a natural launch angle without being popup-prone.

I went dumpster diving for you, and found a list with half my notes. The rest are probably lying around here somewhere.

From these notes, I did:

Moncada, Buxton, Moustakas, Jones '08, Canha, Haniger, Hicks, Pederson, Suarez, La Stella, E. Davis, Brett, Alonso, Blackmon, T. Williams

I'll try to add more later. If I recall, these were the guys I picked first because I went through my stats and looked for outliers.

After this batch, I started just going through the lists (Legends, Current Players), and throwing in guys who've been known to seem glitchy this year, or in the recent past if their card isn't out yet this year.

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Love this experiment...couple of Orioles that I think you should test are Chance Sisco and Chris Davis. Both these guys have crushed the ball for me.

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You've got issues. Seek help before you end up on the evening news

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@notoriousHEB said in Somewhat Scientific CAP Swing Testing (T. Hernandez winning):

You've got issues. Seek help before you end up on the evening news

Wtf is your problem? You come here just for attention? Mommy still loves you.

I find this thread pretty awesome. Thank you Josh. I enjoyed the read.

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I love Ramon Laureano swing. T hernandez is awesome in showdown for me

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@GrinCuzIWIN said in Somewhat Scientific CAP Swing Testing (T. Hernandez winning):

@notoriousHEB said in Somewhat Scientific CAP Swing Testing (T. Hernandez winning):

You've got issues. Seek help before you end up on the evening news

Wtf is your problem? You come here just for attention? Mommy still loves you.

I find this thread pretty awesome. Thank you Josh. I enjoyed the read.

Popping pills and staying up 3 straight days. I'm not the one with a problem. He needs help.

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@Josh_KCK said in Somewhat Scientific CAP Swing Testing (T. Hernandez winning):

@AJ_Franks said in Somewhat Scientific CAP Swing Testing (T. Hernandez winning):

Great info. You don’t have to list all 40, but of the popular swings that you have heard, who have you tested? I’ve heard a lot about how chipper has a good swing. I use Kenny lofton. Mondesi is popular. Brian Roberts swing was nice for me early on. Tony Gwynn. Didi’s swing is very quick. I like Deitrich’s too. I’m sure there is more, but of those guys and any other popular swings did you test any?

First, I know I need to test Mondesi, but I kind of just didn't want to. He rakes but I also wanted more loft than I feel he gets. I'll do him next.

The other guys I considered except Brian Roberts, and I'll throw them all in. I was hoping to try to find guys who seem to have a natural launch angle without being popup-prone.

I went dumpster diving for you, and found a list with half my notes. The rest are probably lying around here somewhere.

From these notes, I did:

Moncada, Buxton, Moustakas, Jones '08, Canha, Haniger, Hicks, Pederson, Suarez, La Stella, E. Davis, Brett, Alonso, Blackmon, T. Williams

I'll try to add more later. If I recall, these were the guys I picked first because I went through my stats and looked for outliers.

After this batch, I started just going through the lists (Legends, Current Players), and throwing in guys who've been known to seem glitchy this year, or in the recent past if their card isn't out yet this year.

Solid list. Great info. Another person that may fit your criteria with more lift in his swing and seemed kind of glitchy early on was Muncy. Looking forward to seeing future results!

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@GrinCuzIWIN said in Somewhat Scientific CAP Swing Testing (T. Hernandez winning):

@notoriousHEB said in Somewhat Scientific CAP Swing Testing (T. Hernandez winning):

You've got issues. Seek help before you end up on the evening news

Wtf is your problem? You come here just for attention? Mommy still loves you.

I find this thread pretty awesome. Thank you Josh. I enjoyed the read.

I appreciate your response, and the initial post was kind of funny.

I'm trying to think of how I could end up on the evening news for my particular form of issues.

Man Does Everything Compulsively, Shares Results: Story at 10.

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@AJ_Franks said in Somewhat Scientific CAP Swing Testing (T. Hernandez winning):

@Josh_KCK said in Somewhat Scientific CAP Swing Testing (T. Hernandez winning):

@AJ_Franks said in Somewhat Scientific CAP Swing Testing (T. Hernandez winning):

Great info. You don’t have to list all 40, but of the popular swings that you have heard, who have you tested? I’ve heard a lot about how chipper has a good swing. I use Kenny lofton. Mondesi is popular. Brian Roberts swing was nice for me early on. Tony Gwynn. Didi’s swing is very quick. I like Deitrich’s too. I’m sure there is more, but of those guys and any other popular swings did you test any?

First, I know I need to test Mondesi, but I kind of just didn't want to. He rakes but I also wanted more loft than I feel he gets. I'll do him next.

The other guys I considered except Brian Roberts, and I'll throw them all in. I was hoping to try to find guys who seem to have a natural launch angle without being popup-prone.

I went dumpster diving for you, and found a list with half my notes. The rest are probably lying around here somewhere.

From these notes, I did:

Moncada, Buxton, Moustakas, Jones '08, Canha, Haniger, Hicks, Pederson, Suarez, La Stella, E. Davis, Brett, Alonso, Blackmon, T. Williams

I'll try to add more later. If I recall, these were the guys I picked first because I went through my stats and looked for outliers.

After this batch, I started just going through the lists (Legends, Current Players), and throwing in guys who've been known to seem glitchy this year, or in the recent past if their card isn't out yet this year.

Solid list. Great info. Another person that may fit your criteria with more lift in his swing and seemed kind of glitchy early on was Muncy. Looking forward to seeing future results!

I'll try Muncy. A lot of my experience with "glitchy" swings is based on an extreme amount of Showdown. I never felt like Muncy played above his ratings, which is where my anecdotal first choices were coming from (unfortunately, I don't have stats for Showdown or I'd have a MUCH larger statistical sample for who rakes).

But maybe. He's certainly not bad.

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@notoriousHEB said in Somewhat Scientific CAP Swing Testing (T. Hernandez winning):

@GrinCuzIWIN said in Somewhat Scientific CAP Swing Testing (T. Hernandez winning):

@notoriousHEB said in Somewhat Scientific CAP Swing Testing (T. Hernandez winning):

You've got issues. Seek help before you end up on the evening news

Wtf is your problem? You come here just for attention? Mommy still loves you.

I find this thread pretty awesome. Thank you Josh. I enjoyed the read.

Popping pills and staying up 3 straight days. I'm not the one with a problem. He needs help.

I almost didn't catch this post after reading the first one. To be clear, the adderall is prescribed. You get such a prescription from... [wait for it]

Seeking help.

Thanks for your concern.

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