New Legends

SDS

Any new legends announced today?

SDS

yes. two of them

SDS

@squishiesgirl said in New Legends:

Any new legends announced today?

John Olerud and Brian Roberts

SDS

that 95 SS Brian Roberts card will be ok in December.

SDS

No “legends.” Just one very solid first basemen and an incredibly forgettable second basemen.

SDS

@SchnauzerFace said in New Legends:

No “legends.” Just one very solid first basemen and an incredibly forgettable second basemen.

Idk, it seems Brian Robert is one of those "fan favorite" type of players. He was never amazing, but fans (especially Oriole fans) seem to love him.

SDS

Sorry but brian Roberts is no legend...

SDS

@A_PerfectGame said in New Legends:

Sorry but brian Roberts is no legend...

I'd agree in the overall term of "legend", but let's be honest, that term was let down a long time ago.
Rick Ankiel, Travis Hafner, A.J Burnett, Aubrey Huff, Bret Boone, lists goes on. All decent additions to the game and i'm happy they are there, but maybe they should come up with a different name then legend.

SDS

@eatyum said in New Legends:

@A_PerfectGame said in New Legends:

Sorry but brian Roberts is no legend...

I'd agree in the overall term of "legend", but let's be honest, that term was let down a long time ago.
Rick Ankiel, Travis Hafner, A.J Burnett, Aubrey Huff, Bret Boone, lists goes on. All decent additions to the game and i'm happy they are there, but maybe they should come up with a different name then legend.

Good point.

SDS

It’s a video game. I’m glad their called legends regardless. I mean if they grouped the whole list and said here’s your new average players Id say that wouldn’t grab my attention. This isn’t that hard to understand. This is below marketing 101. New cards of older players is, fun. It’s baseball..

SDS

@eatyum said in New Legends:

@SchnauzerFace said in New Legends:

No “legends.” Just one very solid first basemen and an incredibly forgettable second basemen.

Idk, it seems Brian Robert is one of those "fan favorite" type of players. He was never amazing, but fans (especially Oriole fans) seem to love him.

I’m sure he was very cheap as well.

SDS

TBH, his career WAR is better than that of Burnett, Wood, Lee Smith, Billy Wagner, Konerko, Hoffman, Benito Santiago etc

SDS

@BIGHOOV2713 said in New Legends:

TBH, his career WAR is better than that of Burnett, Wood, Lee Smith, Billy Wagner, Konerko, Hoffman, Benito Santiago etc

Well it's not a fair to compare WAR from position player to a Relief Pitcher. Elite relief pitchers get to what 4 or 5 a season tops?

SDS

Roberts had a nice little career. Plus he is a switch hitter. The more retired players the better.

SDS

@nflman2033 said in New Legends:

@BIGHOOV2713 said in New Legends:

TBH, his career WAR is better than that of Burnett, Wood, Lee Smith, Billy Wagner, Konerko, Hoffman, Benito Santiago etc

Well it's not a fair to compare WAR from position player to a Relief Pitcher. Elite relief pitchers get to what 4 or 5 a season tops?

And how many position players end up with a 4-5+ WAR every season? According to Fangraphs, of the top 60 players in WAR this past season, 38 position players had a WAR of over 4 while the other 22 were starting pitchers. So I get that there is an unfair comparison there to relief pitchers. I know the more games you play, the more chances you have to accrue WAR, but you also have more chances to decrease your WAR as well.

So I'll amend my previous post and leave it to this. If Konerko gets a 98, and Roberts was considered a half a win better a year over his career (with almost 3,000 fewer ABs), then what rating does Roberts deserve? I believe he is a "poor man's" Roberto Alomar.

And TBH, I think his card will be fire if they represent him properly (and possibly give him SS eligibility since he started 44 of 70 games his rookie season there!)

SDS

@BIGHOOV2713 said in New Legends:

@nflman2033 said in New Legends:

@BIGHOOV2713 said in New Legends:

TBH, his career WAR is better than that of Burnett, Wood, Lee Smith, Billy Wagner, Konerko, Hoffman, Benito Santiago etc

Well it's not a fair to compare WAR from position player to a Relief Pitcher. Elite relief pitchers get to what 4 or 5 a season tops?

And how many position players end up with a 4-5+ WAR every season? According to Fangraphs, of the top 60 players in WAR this past season, 38 position players had a WAR of over 4 while the other 22 were starting pitchers. So I get that there is an unfair comparison there to relief pitchers. I know the more games you play, the more chances you have to accrue WAR, but you also have more chances to decrease your WAR as well.

So I'll amend my previous post and leave it to this. If Konerko gets a 98, and Roberts was considered a half a win better a year over his career (with almost 3,000 fewer ABs), then what rating does Roberts deserve? I believe he is a "poor man's" Roberto Alomar.

And TBH, I think his card will be fire if they represent him properly (and possibly give him SS eligibility since he started 44 of 70 games his rookie season there!)

Oh I agree, i am not sneezing at 4.0. But SPs with great seasons are up there with position players, but the greatest seasons ever by RPs are not up there. Just not enough innings played. So like I said unfair comparison. Konerko's defense really hurts him, but at 1B does it really matter. Konerko had oWAR 33.1.

Compare Roberts to other 2B in the game. But here is the deal, you ate talking lifetime stats, not single seasons.

In 2005 he bit 18 HR with 27 SB and slashed .314/.387/.515. dWAR 2.0.

In 2007 he had 50 SB and slashed .290/.377/.432. dWAR 0.5.

So whichever AS card you get should be pretty useable.

Actually in 2005 he slashed. 332/.404/.545 vs RHP. And with that fielding, that's should be a really good card.

SDS

@BIGHOOV2713 said in New Legends:

@nflman2033 said in New Legends:

@BIGHOOV2713 said in New Legends:

TBH, his career WAR is better than that of Burnett, Wood, Lee Smith, Billy Wagner, Konerko, Hoffman, Benito Santiago etc

Well it's not a fair to compare WAR from position player to a Relief Pitcher. Elite relief pitchers get to what 4 or 5 a season tops?

And how many position players end up with a 4-5+ WAR every season? According to Fangraphs, of the top 60 players in WAR this past season, 38 position players had a WAR of over 4 while the other 22 were starting pitchers. So I get that there is an unfair comparison there to relief pitchers. I know the more games you play, the more chances you have to accrue WAR, but you also have more chances to decrease your WAR as well.

So I'll amend my previous post and leave it to this. If Konerko gets a 98, and Roberts was considered a half a win better a year over his career (with almost 3,000 fewer ABs), then what rating does Roberts deserve? I believe he is a "poor man's" Roberto Alomar.

And TBH, I think his card will be fire if they represent him properly (and possibly give him SS eligibility since he started 44 of 70 games his rookie season there!)

I think we all know that the only reason Konerko got a 98 is because of how late in the year he was released, and SDS just wanting to give people a semi-usable card.

If they release a 2005 Roberts card, then I don’t see the point in giving him a career Signature Series type card. Similar to how we got a 2009 Zobrist card this year, but no Signature Series Zobrist.

SDS

@DriveByTrucker17 said in New Legends:

@BIGHOOV2713 said in New Legends:

@nflman2033 said in New Legends:

@BIGHOOV2713 said in New Legends:

TBH, his career WAR is better than that of Burnett, Wood, Lee Smith, Billy Wagner, Konerko, Hoffman, Benito Santiago etc

Well it's not a fair to compare WAR from position player to a Relief Pitcher. Elite relief pitchers get to what 4 or 5 a season tops?

And how many position players end up with a 4-5+ WAR every season? According to Fangraphs, of the top 60 players in WAR this past season, 38 position players had a WAR of over 4 while the other 22 were starting pitchers. So I get that there is an unfair comparison there to relief pitchers. I know the more games you play, the more chances you have to accrue WAR, but you also have more chances to decrease your WAR as well.

So I'll amend my previous post and leave it to this. If Konerko gets a 98, and Roberts was considered a half a win better a year over his career (with almost 3,000 fewer ABs), then what rating does Roberts deserve? I believe he is a "poor man's" Roberto Alomar.

And TBH, I think his card will be fire if they represent him properly (and possibly give him SS eligibility since he started 44 of 70 games his rookie season there!)

I think we all know that the only reason Konerko got a 98 is because of how late in the year he was released, and SDS just wanting to give people a semi-usable card.

If they release a 2005 Roberts card, then I don’t see the point in giving him a career Signature Series type card.

Correct, he and Olerud are guys who dont need one, their singled best season is head and shoulders above their other seasons that SS is pointless.

SDS

@nflman2033 said in New Legends:

@DriveByTrucker17 said in New Legends:

@BIGHOOV2713 said in New Legends:

@nflman2033 said in New Legends:

@BIGHOOV2713 said in New Legends:

TBH, his career WAR is better than that of Burnett, Wood, Lee Smith, Billy Wagner, Konerko, Hoffman, Benito Santiago etc

Well it's not a fair to compare WAR from position player to a Relief Pitcher. Elite relief pitchers get to what 4 or 5 a season tops?

And how many position players end up with a 4-5+ WAR every season? According to Fangraphs, of the top 60 players in WAR this past season, 38 position players had a WAR of over 4 while the other 22 were starting pitchers. So I get that there is an unfair comparison there to relief pitchers. I know the more games you play, the more chances you have to accrue WAR, but you also have more chances to decrease your WAR as well.

So I'll amend my previous post and leave it to this. If Konerko gets a 98, and Roberts was considered a half a win better a year over his career (with almost 3,000 fewer ABs), then what rating does Roberts deserve? I believe he is a "poor man's" Roberto Alomar.

And TBH, I think his card will be fire if they represent him properly (and possibly give him SS eligibility since he started 44 of 70 games his rookie season there!)

I think we all know that the only reason Konerko got a 98 is because of how late in the year he was released, and SDS just wanting to give people a semi-usable card.

If they release a 2005 Roberts card, then I don’t see the point in giving him a career Signature Series type card.

Correct, he and Olerud are guys who dont need one, their singled best season is head and shoulders above their other seasons that SS is pointless.

I do think Olerud should get one though. He had two 8.1 fWAR seasons with a few 4-5 fWAR seasons mixed in. He also had a career 130 wRC+ and total fWAR of 57.3

SDS

@DriveByTrucker17 said in New Legends:

@nflman2033 said in New Legends:

@DriveByTrucker17 said in New Legends:

@BIGHOOV2713 said in New Legends:

@nflman2033 said in New Legends:

@BIGHOOV2713 said in New Legends:

TBH, his career WAR is better than that of Burnett, Wood, Lee Smith, Billy Wagner, Konerko, Hoffman, Benito Santiago etc

Well it's not a fair to compare WAR from position player to a Relief Pitcher. Elite relief pitchers get to what 4 or 5 a season tops?

And how many position players end up with a 4-5+ WAR every season? According to Fangraphs, of the top 60 players in WAR this past season, 38 position players had a WAR of over 4 while the other 22 were starting pitchers. So I get that there is an unfair comparison there to relief pitchers. I know the more games you play, the more chances you have to accrue WAR, but you also have more chances to decrease your WAR as well.

So I'll amend my previous post and leave it to this. If Konerko gets a 98, and Roberts was considered a half a win better a year over his career (with almost 3,000 fewer ABs), then what rating does Roberts deserve? I believe he is a "poor man's" Roberto Alomar.

And TBH, I think his card will be fire if they represent him properly (and possibly give him SS eligibility since he started 44 of 70 games his rookie season there!)

I think we all know that the only reason Konerko got a 98 is because of how late in the year he was released, and SDS just wanting to give people a semi-usable card.

If they release a 2005 Roberts card, then I don’t see the point in giving him a career Signature Series type card.

Correct, he and Olerud are guys who dont need one, their singled best season is head and shoulders above their other seasons that SS is pointless.

I do think Olerud should get one though. He had two 8.1 fWAR seasons with a few 4-5 fWAR seasons mixed in. He also had a career 130 wRC+ and total fWAR of 57.3

2 best seasons 93 and 98. 1.072 OPS and .998. Those two seasons are virtually identical. I dont see how a SS card could improve on his 93 card. Other than to inflate the cards to being better than they really were. Heck more of a case for Robert's to get his 50 steal 2007 speed with his 2005 hitting and fielding.

Way too many SS cards already, no reason for these guys who have single season Diamond already.

Log in to reply