Tatis Jr. angers Rangers with late grand slam

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Tatis Jr. angers Rangers with late grand slam

I just read this article and thought I’d ask for some opinions on the matter. It’s the eighth inning and the Padres are up 10-3. The bases are loaded, and Tatis Jr. has a 3-0 count. He gets a good pitch hit and hits a grand slam.

The Padres manager congratulated him, but is annoyed because he missed a take sign and let’s him know that. Okay I guess. He’s young and you want to make sure he is focused on all aspects of the game including signs.

The Rangers are pissed that he swung 3-0 with the late game lead because of some unwritten rule. Next at bat they throw behind Machado. Personally, I think that’s a load of [censored].

You can try to make an argument about running up the score, but this isn’t throwing a Hail Mary on fourth down when you’re up by 28. Why should he need to take a pitch? You’re supposed to work the count to get good pitches, and he did that. Is he then supposed to take two pitches right down the middle so the pitcher has a better chance of striking him out? That way his feelings don’t get hurt? That’s absurd.

I get not stealing, bunting for hits, etc with a big lead, but your job is still to try to get a hit. In this particular instance, it just seemed like sour grapes to me. What do all of you think?

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Anything that leads to Rougned Odor getting involved, I'm all for it!

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This might be one of the softest responses ive ever seen in sport. 3-0 count...you throw a meatball and it gets slugged. Be better pitchers out there! Be better!

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Totally agree! The game needs more excitement! Was he just supposed to sit there and hope for a walk!?! That’s fun to watch. All the “that’s not how I played growing up” people need to learn what fun is.

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The “unwritten rules” of baseball are by far the worst part of the sport. The only unwritten rule I agree with is not to break up a no hitter with a Bunt unless you are tied or down 1 run

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@PennStateFencer said in Tatis Jr. angers Rangers with late grand slam:

Tatis Jr. angers Rangers with late grand slam

I just read this article and thought I’d ask for some opinions on the matter. It’s the eighth inning and the Padres are up 10-3. The bases are loaded, and Tatis Jr. has a 3-0 count. He gets a good pitch hit and hits a grand slam.

The Padres manager congratulated him, but is annoyed because he missed a take sign and let’s him know that. Okay I guess. He’s young and you want to make sure he is focused on all aspects of the game including signs.

The Rangers are pissed that he swung 3-0 with the late game lead because of some unwritten rule. Next at bat they throw behind Machado. Personally, I think that’s a load of [censored].

You can try to make an argument about running up the score, but this isn’t throwing a Hail Mary on fourth down when you’re up by 28. Why should he need to take a pitch? You’re supposed to work the count to get good pitches, and he did that. Is he then supposed to take two pitches right down the middle so the pitcher has a better chance of striking him out? That way his feelings don’t get hurt? That’s absurd.

I get not stealing, bunting for hits, etc with a big lead, but your job is still to try to get a hit. In this particular instance, it just seemed like sour grapes to me. What do all of you think?

Rangers have always been the big whiney team who loses in the playoffs

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@PennStateFencer said in Tatis Jr. angers Rangers with late grand slam:

Tatis Jr. angers Rangers with late grand slam

I get not stealing, bunting for hits, etc with a big lead, but your job is still to try to get a hit. In this particular instance, it just seemed like sour grapes to me. What do all of you think?

I'm not gonna get into the specifics of this incident because I can see both sides of the argument. But I'm an old school baseball guy and there are times where the old unwritten rules should still be applied.

Example (also from last night): all weekend long Nelson Cruz has just been tearing apart the Royals pitching staff (because he's Nelson Cruz). And I'm watching these at bats through the 2nd half of the series thinking to myself "Why are they not pounding him inside to at least make him a little uncomfortable? I'm not saying throw at his head or even plunk him. Just at least have him thinking a little bit up there. But no, these young Royals pitchers are still just grooving it in there like it's batting practice, like they're not even thinking about it.

My point is that not all unwritten rules are bad ones and they're usually there for a reason.

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@CRGDVD said in Tatis Jr. angers Rangers with late grand slam:

@PennStateFencer said in Tatis Jr. angers Rangers with late grand slam:

Tatis Jr. angers Rangers with late grand slam

I get not stealing, bunting for hits, etc with a big lead, but your job is still to try to get a hit. In this particular instance, it just seemed like sour grapes to me. What do all of you think?

I'm not gonna get into the specifics of this incident because I can see both sides of the argument. But I'm an old school baseball guy and there are times where the old unwritten rules should still be applied.

Example (also from last night): all weekend long Nelson Cruz has just been tearing apart the Royals pitching staff (because he's Nelson Cruz). And I'm watching these at bats through the 2nd half of the series thinking to myself "Why are they not pounding him inside to at least make him a little uncomfortable? I'm not saying throw at his head or even plunk him. Just at least have him thinking a little bit up there. But no, these young Royals pitchers are still just grooving it in there like it's batting practice, like they're not even thinking about it.

My point is that not all unwritten rules are bad ones and usually they're there for a reason.

So what exactly is the unwritten rule for this particular scenario? Is it okay if he hits a grand slam, but only if he takes at least one strike? Or does he have to take two strikes first? Is he only allowed to get a single or take a walk?

I'm not trying to be a unicorn or anything (the word I tried to use was censored, so I'll go with unicorn). I'm genuinely interested in what the unwritten rule actually is here because I just don't get where it ends or what the point of it is. Your job when you step into the box is to try to get a hit, and doing that isn't showing up your opponent in my opinion.

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As Zach Davies said last night, 'Make sure your 3-0 pitch is a little bit better.'

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@PennStateFencer said in Tatis Jr. angers Rangers with late grand slam:

@CRGDVD said in Tatis Jr. angers Rangers with late grand slam:

@PennStateFencer said in Tatis Jr. angers Rangers with late grand slam:

Tatis Jr. angers Rangers with late grand slam

I get not stealing, bunting for hits, etc with a big lead, but your job is still to try to get a hit. In this particular instance, it just seemed like sour grapes to me. What do all of you think?

I'm not gonna get into the specifics of this incident because I can see both sides of the argument. But I'm an old school baseball guy and there are times where the old unwritten rules should still be applied.

Example (also from last night): all weekend long Nelson Cruz has just been tearing apart the Royals pitching staff (because he's Nelson Cruz). And I'm watching these at bats through the 2nd half of the series thinking to myself "Why are they not pounding him inside to at least make him a little uncomfortable? I'm not saying throw at his head or even plunk him. Just at least have him thinking a little bit up there. But no, these young Royals pitchers are still just grooving it in there like it's batting practice, like they're not even thinking about it.

My point is that not all unwritten rules are bad ones and usually they're there for a reason.

So what exactly is the unwritten rule for this particular scenario? Is it okay if he hits a grand slam, but only if he takes at least one strike? Or does he have to take two strikes first? Is he only allowed to get a single or take a walk?

I'm not trying to be a [censored] or anything. I'm genuinely interested in what the unwritten rule actually is here because I just don't get where it ends or what the point of it is. Your job when you step into the box is to try to get a hit, and doing that isn't showing up your opponent in my opinion.

Well, as I mentioned, I can see both sides of the argument here. Bottom line is he shouldn't have missed the sign. But he's young and it's forgivable. When your manager gives you a sign, you follow it. When your own teammates (Hosmer) are coming up to you in the dugout afterwards and saying 'You should have taken the pitch, it was 3-0.' It shows there are players that still put stock in these things. However I do think things escalated afterward when they shouldn't have. It was an innocent mistake. Lol He's young. I like Tatis.

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Swing the [censored] bat. If he hits it and blasts it out, he did better than you. He executed his ability to put the bat on the ball. If you complain about your guy getting showed up on a 3-0 pitch, you're soft as [censored]. Its a [censored] Major League game, this isn't little league with 6 year olds where we want all the kids to have a good time and just learn the game. This is a competitive player trying to make his contract bigger, trying to make his team a contender, trying to get his name in the record books.

If you have a problem with any of that, go back to coaching little league where you can tell all your boys they did great out there regardless of the score. You can sit down with the kids and enjoy a juice box.

Tatis [censored] owned that pitcher.

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I can't remember who said it, but I once heard a manager say in a postgame that he'd stop running up the score if the other team agreed to not score any more runs as well. Makes sense. The Padres have had one of the worst bullpens in the league.

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In a friendly, like MLB The Show, I always follow unwritten rules. I'll never swing at 3-0 when I'm up big. When I was a kid this was how they played in MLB but not anymore, I guess.

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Good thread.

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