Predetermined losses?

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Is this real thing? Played a guy with all golds and I have 99s everywhere and he hits all homers to win the game and I have to claw to get enough runs to keep up.

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He may have been a high level player that was just grinding TA stats.

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No not even close.... he was swinging all over the place I throw a high fastball and tight the computer leaves it over the plate

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I think for the average player the game tends to put you in a scenario where you have to work out of a loss/win. Like showdown it gets predictable. For whatever reason in the last inning 2 out of 3 games the tying run gets to the plate. I’ve been on both ends far too much to think it’s a fluke but that said it’s what you do at that moment to succeed.

Obviously the elites hitting multiple perfect or the newbs whiffing at everything are exceptions. It’s the programming of the game and just learn to accept it or not play h2h. Sure there is games you can mercy a guy and there are games you can’t buy a hit. Majority though we are just average and I think many times fool ourselves on how good we think we are which puts us in these situations to begin with.

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@nymets1987 said in Predetermined losses?:

Is this real thing? Played a guy with all golds and I have 99s everywhere and he hits all homers to win the game and I have to claw to get enough runs to keep up.

I don't know if it is actually real, but I can swear it feels like it exists.

Games where you strike out the other guy like 16x, they look lost at the plate but manage to get a one or 2 early swing HRs late in the game while on the other side good timing/contact has terrible exit velos and launch angles.

I've had games where easy playable grounders get past my IFs or bloop singles on very late swings happen and you can predict a forced hanger next pitch or 2 will result in a 2 run shot.

I think Allstar is just not a very good difficulty when it comes to balance...

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Ahhh yes... The old "comeback logic & predetermined losses" themes are back!

Just like The Silver and Bronze Marlins vs Diamond deGrom and the mighty Mets yesterday. That comeback and subsequent loss was definitely predetermined...

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@MINISTRO787 said in Predetermined losses?:

Ahhh yes... The old "comeback logic & predetermined losses" themes are back!

Just like The Silver and Bronze Marlins vs Diamond deGrom and the mighty Mets yesterday. That comeback and subsequent loss was definitely predetermined...

But it does make you wonder how you program a video game to replicate that reality. How would you code the "That's baseball" variability?

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@abbyspapa said in Predetermined losses?:

@MINISTRO787 said in Predetermined losses?:

Ahhh yes... The old "comeback logic & predetermined losses" themes are back!

Just like The Silver and Bronze Marlins vs Diamond deGrom and the mighty Mets yesterday. That comeback and subsequent loss was definitely predetermined...

But it does make you wonder how you program a video game to replicate that reality. How would you code the "That's baseball" variability?

You got me brother... I don't believe in comeback logic and much less in predetermined losses. Just trying to spread some humor on something I personally find propostuous. The ball is round... Anyone can win a baseball game.

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@abbyspapa said in Predetermined losses?:

But it does make you wonder how you program a video game to replicate that reality. How would you code the "That's baseball" variability?

It's just random chance, which can appear to be "streaky." Flip a coin a hundred times and you'll see long runs of the same result, naturally. You just played a game where you had a string of bad luck, and your opponent, who may not have been very good, got lucky a few times.

Also, and no offense to anyone because I think we all do it, but we're much more likely to interpret our good luck to skill (15 hits in a game is obviously due to my own greatness) whereas we see our bad luck as something far more nefarious (the game had predetermined that I should lose).

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@MINISTRO787 said in Predetermined losses?:

@abbyspapa said in Predetermined losses?:

@MINISTRO787 said in Predetermined losses?:

Ahhh yes... The old "comeback logic & predetermined losses" themes are back!

Just like The Silver and Bronze Marlins vs Diamond deGrom and the mighty Mets yesterday. That comeback and subsequent loss was definitely predetermined...

But it does make you wonder how you program a video game to replicate that reality. How would you code the "That's baseball" variability?

You got me brother... I don't believe in comeback logic and much less in predetermined losses. Just trying to spread some humor on something I personally find propostuous. The ball is round... Anyone can win a baseball game.

It has been proven to exist in other sports games. It is a way to keep people engaged, keep them from quitting and having them spend money. There is a reason in Madden and you're up 14-0 that your guy fumbles. The Show is just like any other sports game. They can't hide it forever. It will come out eventually. They denied it in Madden for years until someone found the code.

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@The_Joneser said in Predetermined losses?:

@abbyspapa said in Predetermined losses?:

But it does make you wonder how you program a video game to replicate that reality. How would you code the "That's baseball" variability?

It's just random chance, which can appear to be "streaky." Flip a coin a hundred times and you'll see long runs of the same result, naturally. You just played a game where you had a string of bad luck, and your opponent, who may not have been very good, got lucky a few times.

Also, and no offense to anyone because I think we all do it, but we're much more likely to interpret our good luck to skill (15 hits in a game is obviously due to my own greatness) whereas we see our bad luck as something far more nefarious (the game had predetermined that I should lose).

While possible, it matters on the type of hits, not the quantity. You may have 15 hits but are they good/goods or better or are you benefiting from late/early bloopers/bombs.

I have definitely seen hits I don't deserve and I've seen probably 10x the number of poor results that make no sense on great user input (slight exaggeration). I had a game yesterday where I hit 2 HRs with Mantle, good timing but PCI's inner circle was completely off the ball....no way I should have had those. Other games I've had good timing, squared up PCI and hit a 45 degree launch angle with 85 exit velo which also makes no sense on guys with 100+ power.

So there might not really be comeback logic per se, but there is definitely a lot of cases I've seen where players who shouldn't be getting rewarded on their swings coming out on top because of situations like I just noted. At least on Allstar, this game rewards you for not being good.

And I can admit I have been the beneficiary of a number of early swing hrs.

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Sweet! This $hit again?

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@MINISTRO787 said in Predetermined losses?:

@abbyspapa said in Predetermined losses?:

@MINISTRO787 said in Predetermined losses?:

Ahhh yes... The old "comeback logic & predetermined losses" themes are back!

Just like The Silver and Bronze Marlins vs Diamond deGrom and the mighty Mets yesterday. That comeback and subsequent loss was definitely predetermined...

But it does make you wonder how you program a video game to replicate that reality. How would you code the "That's baseball" variability?

You got me brother... I don't believe in comeback logic and much less in predetermined losses. Just trying to spread some humor on something I personally find propostuous. The ball is round... Anyone can win a baseball game.

U must not be watching this season if u dont think the Marlins are prob a better team than the Mets right now? U are also comparing a video game and real life

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@D_e_m_I_s_E said in Predetermined losses?:

@MINISTRO787 said in Predetermined losses?:

@abbyspapa said in Predetermined losses?:

@MINISTRO787 said in Predetermined losses?:

Ahhh yes... The old "comeback logic & predetermined losses" themes are back!

Just like The Silver and Bronze Marlins vs Diamond deGrom and the mighty Mets yesterday. That comeback and subsequent loss was definitely predetermined...

But it does make you wonder how you program a video game to replicate that reality. How would you code the "That's baseball" variability?

You got me brother... I don't believe in comeback logic and much less in predetermined losses. Just trying to spread some humor on something I personally find propostuous. The ball is round... Anyone can win a baseball game.

It has been proven to exist in other sports games. It is a way to keep people engaged, keep them from quitting and having them spend money. There is a reason in Madden and you're up 14-0 that your guy fumbles. The Show is just like any other sports game. They can't hide it forever. It will come out eventually. They denied it in Madden for years until someone found the code.

Madden I just played the Legends team for tokens. Same team the 1st game I won 21-10 on a late TD to expand lead from 14-10 when I couldnt stop their offense and next game same team won 35-0.

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@nymets1987 said in Predetermined losses?:

@MINISTRO787 said in Predetermined losses?:

@abbyspapa said in Predetermined losses?:

@MINISTRO787 said in Predetermined losses?:

Ahhh yes... The old "comeback logic & predetermined losses" themes are back!

Just like The Silver and Bronze Marlins vs Diamond deGrom and the mighty Mets yesterday. That comeback and subsequent loss was definitely predetermined...

But it does make you wonder how you program a video game to replicate that reality. How would you code the "That's baseball" variability?

You got me brother... I don't believe in comeback logic and much less in predetermined losses. Just trying to spread some humor on something I personally find propostuous. The ball is round... Anyone can win a baseball game.

U must not be watching this season if u dont think the Marlins are prob a better team than the Mets right now? U are also comparing a video game and real life

Watched just about every game for the last 28 years. Not going to say who I think is better. All I know is true to life anyone can win a game in MLB or The Show.

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@MINISTRO787 said in Predetermined losses?:

@nymets1987 said in Predetermined losses?:

@MINISTRO787 said in Predetermined losses?:

@abbyspapa said in Predetermined losses?:

@MINISTRO787 said in Predetermined losses?:

Ahhh yes... The old "comeback logic & predetermined losses" themes are back!

Just like The Silver and Bronze Marlins vs Diamond deGrom and the mighty Mets yesterday. That comeback and subsequent loss was definitely predetermined...

But it does make you wonder how you program a video game to replicate that reality. How would you code the "That's baseball" variability?

You got me brother... I don't believe in comeback logic and much less in predetermined losses. Just trying to spread some humor on something I personally find propostuous. The ball is round... Anyone can win a baseball game.

U must not be watching this season if u dont think the Marlins are prob a better team than the Mets right now? U are also comparing a video game and real life

Watched just about every game for the last 28 years. Not going to say who I think is better. All I know is true to life anyone can win a game in MLB or The Show.

Sure but when I accurately throw a pitch high and tight, and it ends up in middle of plate hmmm

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@nymets1987 said in Predetermined losses?:

@MINISTRO787 said in Predetermined losses?:

@nymets1987 said in Predetermined losses?:

@MINISTRO787 said in Predetermined losses?:

@abbyspapa said in Predetermined losses?:

@MINISTRO787 said in Predetermined losses?:

Ahhh yes... The old "comeback logic & predetermined losses" themes are back!

Just like The Silver and Bronze Marlins vs Diamond deGrom and the mighty Mets yesterday. That comeback and subsequent loss was definitely predetermined...

But it does make you wonder how you program a video game to replicate that reality. How would you code the "That's baseball" variability?

You got me brother... I don't believe in comeback logic and much less in predetermined losses. Just trying to spread some humor on something I personally find propostuous. The ball is round... Anyone can win a baseball game.

U must not be watching this season if u dont think the Marlins are prob a better team than the Mets right now? U are also comparing a video game and real life

Watched just about every game for the last 28 years. Not going to say who I think is better. All I know is true to life anyone can win a game in MLB or The Show.

Sure but when I accurately throw a pitch high and tight, and it ends up in middle of plate hmmm

I'm sure deGrom felt the same way when he hung that slider to Cooper yesterday

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@nymets1987 said in Predetermined losses?:

@MINISTRO787 said in Predetermined losses?:

@nymets1987 said in Predetermined losses?:

@MINISTRO787 said in Predetermined losses?:

@abbyspapa said in Predetermined losses?:

@MINISTRO787 said in Predetermined losses?:

Ahhh yes... The old "comeback logic & predetermined losses" themes are back!

Just like The Silver and Bronze Marlins vs Diamond deGrom and the mighty Mets yesterday. That comeback and subsequent loss was definitely predetermined...

But it does make you wonder how you program a video game to replicate that reality. How would you code the "That's baseball" variability?

You got me brother... I don't believe in comeback logic and much less in predetermined losses. Just trying to spread some humor on something I personally find propostuous. The ball is round... Anyone can win a baseball game.

U must not be watching this season if u dont think the Marlins are prob a better team than the Mets right now? U are also comparing a video game and real life

Watched just about every game for the last 28 years. Not going to say who I think is better. All I know is true to life anyone can win a game in MLB or The Show.

Sure but when I accurately throw a pitch high and tight, and it ends up in middle of plate hmmm

Are you saying the game only hangs pitches when you are winning?

The game never hangs a perfect release you throw when you are losing?

Pitching is a mess, and I really hope it's something they address in 21, but it happens at any time, when you are winning and losing. Therefore, it's not proof of any kind of predetermined win/loss

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@eatyum said in Predetermined losses?:

@nymets1987 said in Predetermined losses?:

@MINISTRO787 said in Predetermined losses?:

@nymets1987 said in Predetermined losses?:

@MINISTRO787 said in Predetermined losses?:

@abbyspapa said in Predetermined losses?:

@MINISTRO787 said in Predetermined losses?:

Ahhh yes... The old "comeback logic & predetermined losses" themes are back!

Just like The Silver and Bronze Marlins vs Diamond deGrom and the mighty Mets yesterday. That comeback and subsequent loss was definitely predetermined...

But it does make you wonder how you program a video game to replicate that reality. How would you code the "That's baseball" variability?

You got me brother... I don't believe in comeback logic and much less in predetermined losses. Just trying to spread some humor on something I personally find propostuous. The ball is round... Anyone can win a baseball game.

U must not be watching this season if u dont think the Marlins are prob a better team than the Mets right now? U are also comparing a video game and real life

Watched just about every game for the last 28 years. Not going to say who I think is better. All I know is true to life anyone can win a game in MLB or The Show.

Sure but when I accurately throw a pitch high and tight, and it ends up in middle of plate hmmm

Are you saying the game only hangs pitches when you are winning?

The game never hangs a perfect release you throw when you are losing?

Pitching is a mess, and I really hope it's something they address in 21, but it happens at any time, when you are winning and losing. Therefore, it's not proof of any kind of predetermined win/loss

Def happens all the time and as I said I am not a great player but even I know when I playing someone who isn’t as good

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@MINISTRO787 said in Predetermined losses?:

@nymets1987 said in Predetermined losses?:

@MINISTRO787 said in Predetermined losses?:

@abbyspapa said in Predetermined losses?:

@MINISTRO787 said in Predetermined losses?:

Ahhh yes... The old "comeback logic & predetermined losses" themes are back!

Just like The Silver and Bronze Marlins vs Diamond deGrom and the mighty Mets yesterday. That comeback and subsequent loss was definitely predetermined...

But it does make you wonder how you program a video game to replicate that reality. How would you code the "That's baseball" variability?

You got me brother... I don't believe in comeback logic and much less in predetermined losses. Just trying to spread some humor on something I personally find propostuous. The ball is round... Anyone can win a baseball game.

U must not be watching this season if u dont think the Marlins are prob a better team than the Mets right now? U are also comparing a video game and real life

Watched just about every game for the last 28 years. Not going to say who I think is better. All I know is true to life anyone can win a game in MLB or The Show.

Same dumb argument I have heard for years. The MLB all consist of highly skilled baseball players. Yes, as a team the White Sox are more talented than the Royals but both teams have mostly (not all on the Royals for sure) MLB caliber players so even the Royals will win at some point. The show players can be anywhere from highly skilled to thumbless. You are comparing apples to oranges when you try to bring in this argument.

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