The high sinker.

I abused it. I can’t lie. The best players hit it. Most ppl pop out and strike especially same handed pitching. I think it’s annoyingly unrealistic...is this going to be AS EFFECTIVE this year?? Thoughts.

Hope not

I wonder about this as well. Hopefully on Ps5 they have a new physics engine that would prevent that pitch from being effective high.

Everybody is going to have Kluber and Fingers for free this year, so let’s hope they aren’t.

The high sinker became the meta because low pitches were punished consistently in 19.

We will see what the meta is in 20, but if low fastballs and sinkers are still hammered not much will change.

Hope not

I just pre-ordered and this thread is making me have buyer’s remorse. That and pitcher confidence.

I’ve never really thought the high sinker is that great. I think the sinker midddle-in on the hands is much tougher to hit cuz it’s easy to drop the pci and is also harder to read imo

With the velocity upgrades on sinkers I think they're going to be super OP

@mitchhammond24 said in The high sinker.:

I’ve never really thought the high sinker is that great. I think the sinker midddle-in on the hands is much tougher to hit cuz it’s easy to drop the pci and is also harder to read imo

Yea middle in is nasty. Can be hard to consistently nail imo though. And if you miss it’s middle which gets crushed. It def doesn’t work all that great how it’s intended which is right below the strike zone with the look of a low fastball.

I hope they fixed it. If not, Hicks with that outlier perk is going to be insane.

@DanH35 said in The high sinker.:

I hope they fixed it. If not, Hicks with that outlier perk is going to be insane.

Even without fixing it honestly, a consistent 102 on a sinker with a 4 seam that probably also has outlier and an 80 mph slider

That's a go to br card right there

The issue is that it looks like a breaking ball to start when it’s high in the zone, which consequently makes it seem faster than a fastball if you aren’t used to the adjustment. It’s too handy and needs to be addressed. The point of a sinker is to make somebody roll over into an easy out, while instead they’ve taken over the role establishing a fastball.

I watched all of the streams and they commonly reference the sinker as though it's a desirable pitch. "Here's Prime Joe Random, he's got that 97 MPH fastball and that sinker..." I expect it to be as strong as it was in MLB 19

@sersimpleton said in The high sinker.:

I watched all of the streams and they commonly reference the sinker as though it's a desirable pitch. "Here's Prime Joe Random, he's got that 97 MPH fastball and that sinker..." I expect it to be as strong as it was in MLB 19

Sadly, I think you’re right. Even this year some cpu pitchers threw high sinkers.

@skepple15 said in The high sinker.:

With the velocity upgrades on sinkers I think they're going to be super OP

yep as they should be - suckers need to learn to sit high and pretty otherwise you're dusted

At the end of the day, the sinker is a POWER pitch. Because of its name, people assume it's only a pitch thrown at the knees. That's not the way it is used in real life at all. The sinker is thrown just like a fastball, all over the strike zone. Up, down, in, out. When Arrieta won the Cy Young award, 48% of his sinkers were waist high or higher.

People talk like the sinker is a change up that needs to be thrown low in the zone to be effective. That isn't the case at all. I'm not saying you should be able to live up in the zone with it if you repeat it over and over, but you shouldn't live anywhere with ANY pitch over and over.

@TroyF said in The high sinker.:

At the end of the day, the sinker is a POWER pitch. Because of its name, people assume it's only a pitch thrown at the knees. That's not the way it is used in real life at all. The sinker is thrown just like a fastball, all over the strike zone. Up, down, in, out. When Arrieta won the Cy Young award, 48% of his sinkers were waist high or higher.

People talk like the sinker is a change up that needs to be thrown low in the zone to be effective. That isn't the case at all. I'm not saying you should be able to live up in the zone with it if you repeat it over and over, but you shouldn't live anywhere with ANY pitch over and over.

Yes but when they were thrown high didn't they move like 2 seamers

@TroyF said in The high sinker.:

At the end of the day, the sinker is a POWER pitch. Because of its name, people assume it's only a pitch thrown at the knees. That's not the way it is used in real life at all. The sinker is thrown just like a fastball, all over the strike zone. Up, down, in, out. When Arrieta won the Cy Young award, 48% of his sinkers were waist high or higher.

People talk like the sinker is a change up that needs to be thrown low in the zone to be effective. That isn't the case at all. I'm not saying you should be able to live up in the zone with it if you repeat it over and over, but you shouldn't live anywhere with ANY pitch over and over.

Yea, but how it looks in the game is the problem. It should start flat and drop, not look like a 150 mph curveball the way it comes out of the hand.

@TheHungryHole said in The high sinker.:

@skepple15 said in The high sinker.:

With the velocity upgrades on sinkers I think they're going to be super OP

yep as they should be - suckers need to learn to sit high and pretty otherwise you're dusted

The problem is some pitchers have very unhittiable sinkers. I’m fine with those guys. Any pitcher who had a sinker last year could dominant with it. That I have a problem with.

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