No adjustments to gameplay? The mind literally boggles. With a multitude of gameplay issues to choose from when deciding what to focus on primarily with 1.12, you went with.......... None of them. This will probably be my last MLB The Show game in all honesty. It’s the only game I’ve ever come across in over three decades of gaming where you can play for thousands of hours over five years, buy every expensive accessory available to assist your efforts and yet get worse at the game. There’s no sense of improvement or progressing your skills because the game is dictated by inconsistency to the point of feeling like a series of random occurrences.
This game is entirely focused around hitting home runs and there’s a total lack of respect for pitching and defense as it stands. There’s one player in the top 20 for this season who has an ERA below 5 and he’s sitting at 4.87. The current number one player this season in RS has an ERA of 7.01. Your game is terrible. Exactly what you think is fun about playing ninety minute games at Shippet where both teams combine for thirty or more runs, I’m unsure, but this is a terrible representation of the sport of baseball. This is some garbage arcade slugfest with zero emphasis on anything except overpowered hitting.

Yeah, I think you’re being a little too pessimistic. Why do you care? What do you mean “It’s not fair?” Fair to who, exactly? Why aren’t you off completing the map 8 times for 200000 stubs instead of complaining about those who are? I’m confused.

For the last six weeks I’ve spent the vast majority of my time on TSN complaining about how SDS have ruined the game by implementing narrow swing timing windows that are totally impossible to work with. The ball is unhittable, I repeatedly proclaimed. This game is terrible. If there was a thread complaining about hitting being bad, I’d happily jump in and hijack the thread to complain about swing timing windows, I’ve sent emails and complaints and much more.

To be honest, I felt justified in my viewpoint. Hitting was impossible for me. By the time I started to swing at a fastball, it was in the catchers glove. Not possible to hit.

Fast forward to today, when I changed my display settings (should have tried this a while ago) which had reset when we had a brief power outage several weeks ago.......... And it transpires I’m a complete moron. Sorry about that. I’m kinda early on fastballs now on HoF. Might need to slow my bat down a little. Oops. So, ummm, sorry SDS. Sorry, general community, who read my whining posts every day. I’ll get my coat.......

Everything is moments these days, or a variation of moments, such as Showdown. I was thinking about the days before the moments concept existed in DD, when missions were to be completed in regular play, either against the CPU or H2H. While I’m not a fan of moments, mostly due to the fact I think they’re pretty much rigged, I wasn’t a huge fan of the old method of loading up your line up with grind cards and facing the Rockies on rookie either.

While it seems like a more sensible, streamlined approach to set you a task and then have you right there with the player to attempt to complete only that specific task, the reality is that you’re trapped in that moment until the game allows you to proceed. That’s my main issue with moments, they don’t feel like a skill based challenge, where you’ll succeed based on your ability, they feel like a time sink where you’ll be allowed to progress as and when the programming dictates you will progress. The Willie Mays level fielding from bad to average defensive players and the absolute flat refusal of the AI pitchers to play along with the script at times (Beaning batters with one hit left in a mission to get 4 hits including 3 XBH etc) would be a huge factor in this take.

I also just think they’ve taken the concept too far at this point. POTM is moments, Topps Now is moments, Showdown is just moments with a twist and the draft element of BR bolted on, player programs are predominantly moments.......

It would be nice if we saw something a little more imaginative in terms of mission design next year, I feel like I’ve been in a moment that represents every possible situation in baseball over the past two years. Not to mention some of these magical moments truly do last a lifetime. Or so it feels.

@Oachs83 said in MLB The Inconsistency:

8 out of 10 RS games go like this

First inning or two the better player will score right away but just a run or two. Then it’s five innings of stalemate (usually just a ton of fly balls near the warning track or double plays). If someone does score during stalemate time that run will be matched in the next half inning.

Then in the 8th the better player will get a two or three run lead. In the 9th the lesser player will get the tying and or winning run on base but will come up just short. This happening near the end leaves the better player happy because of the win and the lesser player believing he almost pulled it off.

Now this formula works until you experience the same scenario about 50 times and just realize it’s in the coding.

I can’t lie, I’ve argued heavily against game scripting and the like on this very forum over the years, but with over 1100 RS games played this year, that scenario sounds extremely familiar.

@lazy_toast said in Y'all can have Chipper:

@Hikes83 said in Y'all can have Chipper:

You don’t understand how popularity works huh?

Oh i do. Just dont understand why people pay for a name rather than stats. Its a competitive video game after all. SDS feeds of those ppl so

This is not a competitive video game. It may attempt to present itself as such, but it falls short in many areas on many levels, to the point where it really cannot be regarded as such. A competitive game would usually see the outcome decided by the skills and input of the user.

No, it’s nothing like it was in years past. As I only really play RS it formulates my view of the game as a whole and in my view, this is probably the worst edition of the show I’ve ever played and I’ve played every year since ‘16. It’s definitely now on a par with ‘18 in terms of gameplay quality and may even sink beyond that given enough time.
You can’t pitch anywhere without batters making contact, you can’t reliably expect to have any success with good input, every game features a combined 15-20+ runs on 30-40 hits, even if you avoid Shippet, Good/Okay is absolutely out of control, terrible animations abound, outfielders are still dicey about fielding balls hit close to the base of outfield walls, hit variety is way down (unless you count the different types of home run under hit variety), ERAs are into the stratosphere, desync makes the game look terrible online, if not downright farcical at times, bunting is OP due to bad infield defending, outcomes and feedback - Both on the hitting and pitching sides - are totally random as opposed to being dictated by, or in many cases bearing any vague relation to, inputs and visual indicators of success, there are still issues with MLB stadiums dropping frames, the list is endless. None of this, unsurprisingly, makes for a great baseball experience.

@ItsaCanesthing said in Gavin Lux is a starting pitcher:

Mistakes like this happen, no big deal.

But my problem is how can Gavin Lux get a 90 OVR card while Nick Madrigal gets a 95?
In what universe is Madrigal a better prospect than Lux???

I do not like these "fake" prospect cards with bloated stats, but this is crazy.

Chill out, we’re getting a 95 overall Gavin Lux next week. With a 102mph sinker.

@boogiewithstu2 said in Game Update 1.12 Thread:

@ComebackLogic said in Game Update 1.12 Thread:

No adjustments to gameplay? The mind literally boggles. With a multitude of gameplay issues to choose from when deciding what to focus on primarily with 1.12, you went with.......... None of them. This will probably be my last MLB The Show game in all honesty. It’s the only game I’ve ever come across in over three decades of gaming where you can play for thousands of hours over five years, buy every expensive accessory available to assist your efforts and yet get worse at the game. There’s no sense of improvement or progressing your skills because the game is dictated by inconsistency to the point of feeling like a series of random occurrences.
This game is entirely focused around hitting home runs and there’s a total lack of respect for pitching and defense as it stands. There’s one player in the top 20 for this season who has an ERA below 5 and he’s sitting at 4.87. The current number one player this season in RS has an ERA of 7.01. Your game is terrible. Exactly what you think is fun about playing ninety minute games at Shippet where both teams combine for thirty or more runs, I’m unsure, but this is a terrible representation of the sport of baseball. This is some garbage arcade slugfest with zero emphasis on anything except overpowered hitting.

19 is where it’s at right now, that and 17 ....

I actually went back, reinstalled and played some ‘17 this year, it felt great, but it did serve to highlight just how much hitting and pitching have changed for the worse in the interim period between then and now. I uninstalled ‘19, though I still have a plethora of cards should I wish to return at any point and make use of them.
When you go back in time and play ‘17 online (I played H2H with @raesONE and I was able to find a few games in RS against randoms, surprisingly) you are left in little doubt about the regression of core elements of gameplay such as hitting and pitching. While there are faults and they do affect gameplay (the top spin on Miggy and Griffey is really obvious, for example and some terrible animations like catchers always sliding on dropped third strikes allowing the runner to reach first also spring to mind), the basic elements of the game feel much more accurate and natural than they’ve ever felt in any version of Diamond Dynasty since. Pitches go exactly where you aimed them with good input and when hitting, exit velocities seem astonishing compared to what we’ve become used to in recent years. I’m not sure why SDS moved away from solid fundamentals in favour of strange and unrealistic outcomes, but it is what it is.

@MarinerMatt01 said in I Think I’ve Had it With Diamond Dynasty:

It’s bad enough that I have to go through yet another low scoring game with a guy just blast 102 mile an hour fastball at me 105 times a game but when I finally catch up to it and get a two run homerun. Bottom of the ninth he gets his second hit, 2-0, he attempts a steal with one out (?) and the game freezes. Currently in a stand off. I can believe this game has gone back to the 2017 meta. If this is how it continues to play, count me out, I’ll try again next year.

Wondered why I’d not seen you around twitch lately. Nothing we can do except play the game we’re given, it’s affecting us all. I’ve quit being mad, I’m past that stage now. Best advice I can give you is to not take it as seriously and just laugh at the BS that will definitely occur in games. As for trying again next year, man..... I have to be better than this. I have to stop giving in and preordering this game, because it’s not getting better. I love baseball just like everyone else, for some reason, I even love diamond dynasty and MLB the Show - When it works half right, that is.
But the whole package of caring about this game, wanting it to be better, trying to compete and becoming emotionally invested has to stop. It’s a consistently trash product that’s fun half the time and frustrating all the time. I’d be as well of trying to get emotionally invested in a mobile phone game where you tap the screen to swing.

We’re getting a juiced Seager, obviously.

I’m going to play BR today using analog flick. I’m a terrible hitter and I absolutely stink at BR, so it won’t impact me negatively. I’ll be interested to see if I have dramatically improved results all of a sudden though. I might go ham and use pulse pitching for the first time in about four years as well, what harm can it do?

We’re in a depression phase of the market cycle.

@raesONE said in MLB The Checkswing:

https://ibb.co/7G2CQxd

10 pitches taken, 10 successful check swings. Too early on each and every one, selling out on the fastball like all the other kids. I almost lost this game too. This is a 100% issue that needs to be fixed next year.

Selling out on the fastball? That’s called a skill gap apparently. The earlier you can swing, the better player you are.

@OceanBubbles000 said in Come on SDS:

People if you want a pertect Baseball simulation why don't actually go out and ohhh wait I forgot......

I’m not saying I want a perfect baseball simulation. However, I do want the gameplay to be the best it can be. I feel there’s a lot of room for improvement in that aspect and quite frankly, it’s mind boggling that with the wealth of experience now behind SDS, they still haven’t managed to balance the game successfully, with either hitting or pitching being biased from year to year and patch to patch. It’s a sad state of affairs for a hardcore fan of the franchise such as myself. I’ve really enjoyed the gameplay at times in the past, but it’s ever changing and inconsistent. I don’t enjoy complaining, but SDS keep taking retrograde steps with gameplay, so I keep offering negative feedback.

Yeah, we still haven’t seen a Mookie MVP card from his WS season with the Red Sox. Only Stanton got a HW card in a timely fashion, everyone else has to wait for years, apparently.

@Alaric919 said in Come on SDS:

The RS version of this game is an abortion almost all the way around. From “perfectly” released pitches that either miss on the other side of the zone or are grooved down the middle so these ubiquitous steroid-version “post season” cards can hit them to the moon with [censored] timing to base runners behaving like they’re Forrest Gump playing the game for the first tIme ever instead of Hall of Famers. How many times have I seen TY F-in COBB stand on first base picking his nose until the pitcher releases the ball so he can be thrown out stealing. How many times has Kaline...KALINE!... done a little hamster dance before throwing the ball so the runner “just has time” to score? Yes. Quite the simulation you’ve built.

Tonight, I lost to a guy who never timed ANYTHING. Just meatball exploitation and mistimed bleeders all over the field. He came close to nothing in the first two AB’s against Prestige Palmer, went into the pause screen then came back making contact on everything because he obviously missed directional hitting. Right on cue came the perfectly released meatball he completely failed to time with Super Correa and hit out. The ball floated out like the [censored] Hindenburg. With these ridiculous power ratings, that happens all the time.

Me on the other hand? Good PCI placement the entire game with a wad that were timed next to perfect and came off the bat like the ball was made of lead. I’m not playing the game when it goes there. I’m participating in virtual ratfuckery.

There’s another thread I was glad to see, about how this game often ruins people’s entire days because when you “play” it, you‘re constantly reminded how you’re masturbating to what’s little more than a visually stimulating virtual slot machine with addictive content bait built in to keep you coming back for your “reward” hit. It wouldN’t bother me as much if the cards I want weren’t tied to online play...and the PS Plus membership, of course. Then I’d just grind the computer never havIng to tolerate this BS on top of dashboarders quitting half the time just to screw me out of the stats these jagoffasaur developers demand I collect in their online sewer to obtain the cards. Did I mention the toxicity of the online “experience” in general? I mean, they got rid of direct messaging met players, didn’t they? Yet, let’s try to force-herd more players into the cesspool! Brilliant. I digress.

I agree that homeruns “should” be a major part of this game, but a bomb fest shouldn’t be the only way to compete without bunt spamming. It’s obvious that so many players are switching back to directional, just laying on power swing, and are being rewarded for it. Ridiculous.

Someone else pointed out that the devs probably never play the asinine online version unless they’re required to at work. I understand why; who wants to take their work home with them? Grudging empathy aside, it shows.

I’ve been ranting a lot this week as well. Usually means they’ve juiced hitting again. I absolutely hate this game at the minute, I’d like to play it all day the way I used to play MLB the Show, but I literally cannot stand to play more than a couple of games at a time. I’m a bit of an exception to the norm, but man, I’ve come to absolutely hate that crack of the bat when you barrel the ball up. It’s all I ever hear, no matter if I’m pitching or hitting.

I don’t play the Home Run Derby mini game, because it’s boring just sitting there mashing the ball out into the stands over and over again. Soon, I feel like I won’t play RS for the same reason.

@Doppelganger39 said in Will the Show for PS5 be a copy and paste?:

Theres a pandemic, not expecting a big upgrade on any console for next year, their not able to work at 100%.

Nah, that was this years excuse. Remember at the start of the year, when they couldn’t get into the office to patch the game because of Corona? I’m not accepting the same excuse twice, when I’ve been working through the pandemic for the last six months like many others.

@Hubijerk said in Will the Show for PS5 be a copy and paste?:

From a development and programming standpoint, if there's going to be a complete overhaul 2022 makes the most sense.

Yeah, but who wants to admit they’re going to buy this exact same game again for another two years? It’s too depressing.

I’ve got a couple of Barry Bonds Topps rookie cards if we’re breaking out old junk to sell.