No adjustments to gameplay? The mind literally boggles. With a multitude of gameplay issues to choose from when deciding what to focus on primarily with 1.12, you went with.......... None of them. This will probably be my last MLB The Show game in all honesty. It’s the only game I’ve ever come across in over three decades of gaming where you can play for thousands of hours over five years, buy every expensive accessory available to assist your efforts and yet get worse at the game. There’s no sense of improvement or progressing your skills because the game is dictated by inconsistency to the point of feeling like a series of random occurrences.
This game is entirely focused around hitting home runs and there’s a total lack of respect for pitching and defense as it stands. There’s one player in the top 20 for this season who has an ERA below 5 and he’s sitting at 4.87. The current number one player this season in RS has an ERA of 7.01. Your game is terrible. Exactly what you think is fun about playing ninety minute games at Shippet where both teams combine for thirty or more runs, I’m unsure, but this is a terrible representation of the sport of baseball. This is some garbage arcade slugfest with zero emphasis on anything except overpowered hitting.

For the last six weeks I’ve spent the vast majority of my time on TSN complaining about how SDS have ruined the game by implementing narrow swing timing windows that are totally impossible to work with. The ball is unhittable, I repeatedly proclaimed. This game is terrible. If there was a thread complaining about hitting being bad, I’d happily jump in and hijack the thread to complain about swing timing windows, I’ve sent emails and complaints and much more.

To be honest, I felt justified in my viewpoint. Hitting was impossible for me. By the time I started to swing at a fastball, it was in the catchers glove. Not possible to hit.

Fast forward to today, when I changed my display settings (should have tried this a while ago) which had reset when we had a brief power outage several weeks ago.......... And it transpires I’m a complete moron. Sorry about that. I’m kinda early on fastballs now on HoF. Might need to slow my bat down a little. Oops. So, ummm, sorry SDS. Sorry, general community, who read my whining posts every day. I’ll get my coat.......

No, it’s nothing like it was in years past. As I only really play RS it formulates my view of the game as a whole and in my view, this is probably the worst edition of the show I’ve ever played and I’ve played every year since ‘16. It’s definitely now on a par with ‘18 in terms of gameplay quality and may even sink beyond that given enough time.
You can’t pitch anywhere without batters making contact, you can’t reliably expect to have any success with good input, every game features a combined 15-20+ runs on 30-40 hits, even if you avoid Shippet, Good/Okay is absolutely out of control, terrible animations abound, outfielders are still dicey about fielding balls hit close to the base of outfield walls, hit variety is way down (unless you count the different types of home run under hit variety), ERAs are into the stratosphere, desync makes the game look terrible online, if not downright farcical at times, bunting is OP due to bad infield defending, outcomes and feedback - Both on the hitting and pitching sides - are totally random as opposed to being dictated by, or in many cases bearing any vague relation to, inputs and visual indicators of success, there are still issues with MLB stadiums dropping frames, the list is endless. None of this, unsurprisingly, makes for a great baseball experience.

@ItsaCanesthing said in Gavin Lux is a starting pitcher:

Mistakes like this happen, no big deal.

But my problem is how can Gavin Lux get a 90 OVR card while Nick Madrigal gets a 95?
In what universe is Madrigal a better prospect than Lux???

I do not like these "fake" prospect cards with bloated stats, but this is crazy.

Chill out, we’re getting a 95 overall Gavin Lux next week. With a 102mph sinker.

@boogiewithstu2 said in Game Update 1.12 Thread:

@ComebackLogic said in Game Update 1.12 Thread:

No adjustments to gameplay? The mind literally boggles. With a multitude of gameplay issues to choose from when deciding what to focus on primarily with 1.12, you went with.......... None of them. This will probably be my last MLB The Show game in all honesty. It’s the only game I’ve ever come across in over three decades of gaming where you can play for thousands of hours over five years, buy every expensive accessory available to assist your efforts and yet get worse at the game. There’s no sense of improvement or progressing your skills because the game is dictated by inconsistency to the point of feeling like a series of random occurrences.
This game is entirely focused around hitting home runs and there’s a total lack of respect for pitching and defense as it stands. There’s one player in the top 20 for this season who has an ERA below 5 and he’s sitting at 4.87. The current number one player this season in RS has an ERA of 7.01. Your game is terrible. Exactly what you think is fun about playing ninety minute games at Shippet where both teams combine for thirty or more runs, I’m unsure, but this is a terrible representation of the sport of baseball. This is some garbage arcade slugfest with zero emphasis on anything except overpowered hitting.

19 is where it’s at right now, that and 17 ....

I actually went back, reinstalled and played some ‘17 this year, it felt great, but it did serve to highlight just how much hitting and pitching have changed for the worse in the interim period between then and now. I uninstalled ‘19, though I still have a plethora of cards should I wish to return at any point and make use of them.
When you go back in time and play ‘17 online (I played H2H with @raesONE and I was able to find a few games in RS against randoms, surprisingly) you are left in little doubt about the regression of core elements of gameplay such as hitting and pitching. While there are faults and they do affect gameplay (the top spin on Miggy and Griffey is really obvious, for example and some terrible animations like catchers always sliding on dropped third strikes allowing the runner to reach first also spring to mind), the basic elements of the game feel much more accurate and natural than they’ve ever felt in any version of Diamond Dynasty since. Pitches go exactly where you aimed them with good input and when hitting, exit velocities seem astonishing compared to what we’ve become used to in recent years. I’m not sure why SDS moved away from solid fundamentals in favour of strange and unrealistic outcomes, but it is what it is.

@MarinerMatt01 said in I Think I’ve Had it With Diamond Dynasty:

It’s bad enough that I have to go through yet another low scoring game with a guy just blast 102 mile an hour fastball at me 105 times a game but when I finally catch up to it and get a two run homerun. Bottom of the ninth he gets his second hit, 2-0, he attempts a steal with one out (?) and the game freezes. Currently in a stand off. I can believe this game has gone back to the 2017 meta. If this is how it continues to play, count me out, I’ll try again next year.

Wondered why I’d not seen you around twitch lately. Nothing we can do except play the game we’re given, it’s affecting us all. I’ve quit being mad, I’m past that stage now. Best advice I can give you is to not take it as seriously and just laugh at the BS that will definitely occur in games. As for trying again next year, man..... I have to be better than this. I have to stop giving in and preordering this game, because it’s not getting better. I love baseball just like everyone else, for some reason, I even love diamond dynasty and MLB the Show - When it works half right, that is.
But the whole package of caring about this game, wanting it to be better, trying to compete and becoming emotionally invested has to stop. It’s a consistently trash product that’s fun half the time and frustrating all the time. I’d be as well of trying to get emotionally invested in a mobile phone game where you tap the screen to swing.

@Ikasnu said in Proof of broken check swing mechanics:

Remove check swings

F- that. So we just get rid of everything that SDS broke or can’t manage to execute successfully? It’s going to be a strange baseball game when we remove hitting, fielding and pitching then, because it’s all messed up lol. Make them get things right would be my solution.

Oh yes. Check swing every pitch lol. Hitting feels really uncomfortable this year and unnatural.

Ah sweet. I can’t wait to strike out and get good/okay on squared up contact with those cards!

No different to any of the previous years that have recently passed us by. SDS to me come across as implying:
“Listen, we’re the almighty developers and should not be questioned or held accountable for anything that’s wrong, although we are happy to take credit and receive applause whenever possible. We do not think our players or their satisfaction is particularly important or conducive to a successful year for the franchise, as history has repeatedly shown there will always be enough idiots around to spend real money on virtual cards that last a maximum of nine months to keep us afloat regardless of the flaws or complaints”
“We don’t provide any firm guidance or instructions on how the various aspects of the game work or highlight the routes to success as there are no consistent methods. The game is basically random. Not random as in simply press X and the game will decide, we have the old “same players are always top of the leaderboards” argument to dispel that. No, it’s random in the sense that you could do the exact same thing ten times and get six or seven different results. It’s random in the sense that there’s no consistency. We can’t ever admit that though, because the community would go nuts.”
“If we made the game entirely input based, all the whiny complainers would simply go on to post incessantly about how top players were always winning 10-0 and the game wasn’t fun. Skilled players tend to spend very little money, as they obtain every card in the game by simply playing. Events, BR and RS can easily provide enough stubs for a player with a good win rate, but the regular guys can’t succeed consistently and they’re the demographic we’re targeting to spend enough money this year - And every year, frankly - So we can’t have them all being scared away early by better players who don’t spend money early in the game cycle when we usually accrue the most revenue from them, we’ve not even had our first stub sale yet.”
“We do read the forums daily and are quick to hand out bans if we deem it necessary and will always respond in a timely fashion if you are having issues purchasing stubs from the in game store, however it doesn’t benefit us to respond to complaints, we tried that and people were rude to the staff, so we told them not to bother any more. We’ll patch the game whenever we feel like it, let them all complain, who cares? It’s the same every year!”
“Worst of all are the non American players, thinking we care if the game plays well in other countries! Listen here you foreigners, when we exclude you from COTW, competitions, giveaways, early releases and everything else, you might want to take the hint - We don’t want you here! Go away! We especially don’t want your complaints!! We can’t really make it any more clear, baseball is for people in North America! Not you!! If you insist on playing the game, despite our best efforts to put you off, keep your negativity to yourself!!”

@bhall09 said in Fun vs Realism:

@ComebackLogic said in Fun vs Realism:

@Doppelganger39 said in Fun vs Realism:

Let me go on a little mini rant, the strike out spin move celebration got to go, I want a baseball sim not a gymnastics game.I want an opt out of pitching emotion like hitting has an opt out for bat flips.

Félix Hernández is defying the laws of physics after every K, how bout an emotion slider????

I have no desire to toss out the emotion in the game I get that some like it but give me the option to at least tone it down just like you do with bat flips.
I want my baseball game to look like baseball.

It would be nice to see some specific animations for players, Eckersley shooting his finger like a gun after a big K, or that bat flip from Bautista. Having every single player do a Carlton Fisk animation on every foul ball down the line isn’t necessary though and doesn’t add a lot to the game. The right touches added to the right players can help with immersion and realism though. It’s awesome to see Rickey popping his collar on a no doubter and if used correctly, I’m all for it.

I’ve mentioned this before, but the game is overproduced in many instances. Like the Carlton Fisk wave the foul home run deal. It’s always a foul in that animation (at least that I’ve noticed). And how do they determine no doubt HR versus regular. I’ve hit some absolute bombs that don’t get the no doubt animation.

One that drives me up the wall. Have you played MTO? The emotional reactions there are way over the top. Strikeout the CPU in the sixth inning of game 74 and he’ll get frustrated like it’s game 7 of the World Series. It’s also kind of silly to see the same animation for winning each playoff round when you might do it in one sitting that last a couple hours.

Yeah, like I said, I get what they’re going for with the added emotion and I’m not against it, but it should be used more appropriately in order to achieve the desired effect. If you can’t code it properly, don’t just half [censored] it.

About 415-315, give or take. I’m way behind my usual pace due to various real life things though.

Program stars are linked to XP, if you play offline you’ll still earn stars. It’s super easy to get to 300 stars every inning this year. The extra rewards are whatever and are for people who spend more time grinding past 300. I don’t see the problem here.

@Doppelganger39 said in Fun vs Realism:

Let me go on a little mini rant, the strike out spin move celebration got to go, I want a baseball sim not a gymnastics game.I want an opt out of pitching emotion like hitting has an opt out for bat flips.

Félix Hernández is defying the laws of physics after every K, how bout an emotion slider????

I have no desire to toss out the emotion in the game I get that some like it but give me the option to at least tone it down just like you do with bat flips.
I want my baseball game to look like baseball.

It would be nice to see some specific animations for players, Eckersley shooting his finger like a gun after a big K, or that bat flip from Bautista. Having every single player do a Carlton Fisk animation on every foul ball down the line isn’t necessary though and doesn’t add a lot to the game. The right touches added to the right players can help with immersion and realism though. It’s awesome to see Rickey popping his collar on a no doubter and if used correctly, I’m all for it.

Al Leiter, John Smoltz, FS Brendan McKay are all good. Kerry Wood if you can control him.

I’m always running into people, or I used to when I played for 8-12 hours a day every day. I’ve also played friendly games with people I’ve met on here.

Game seems better to me now than it did when I quit playing six weeks ago. Maybe it’s because I’ve given up taking it seriously. I have complained for both sides over the years, wanting user input to be the determining factor and wanting a game that accurately simulated real baseball. I’ve come to the conclusion that you simply cannot have both, no matter how ideal that would be.
In order to balance the game and give pitching a chance to play even vaguely true to real life, you need the RNG simulation factors like good/good line outs. Otherwise, there’s no way to have hitting be truly rewarding to user input without making pitching irrelevant. It’s simply too easy to make good contact with the ball in this game and if you reward good contact every time, the game becomes an awful home run derby where pitching is irrelevant. We saw it earlier this year and it was not good.
In years past we’ve seen OP pitching as well on certain patches where it was impossible to react quick enough to a pitch, or the PCI was too small and had too great a range of movement at a too sensitive setting to consistently make contact. Seems like the SDS way, where sometimes you do everything right and get told to GFYS actually provides the most realistic and least frustrating baseball experience, now that I look at the bigger picture.

I don’t know why people are salty. I don’t really want the Trout, but he’s fine if you’re a fan. I think a lot of people expected way too much, some of the names being thrown around were crazy, from Bonds to McGwire and Hank Aaron. If you set your expectations that high, you can only be disappointed.

Problem is, if I sell the pick from this inning, who do I buy? I’m not really in desperate need of anyone except bullpen arms and they’re super expensive rn. I’m probably gonna take Maddux, drop Paxton and just hope for the best. He does have nasty speed differentials, but my experience is you need to have 96mph+ in your back pocket this year.

I’m just happy to see mods finally have a presence on TSN. One of the main reasons I like the Show is the level of community interaction from the devs. With the complaints we see when there are no updates, live streams or forum posts, I assume everyone largely agrees, so keep up the interaction.