I'm not buying 20. I would rather flush $100 down the toilet. Last 2 games have been flat out terrible. It will not get any better. They will never get with the times and put an accurate ping indicator which almost every game has these days. Matching people with like ping gives the best playing experience for both sides. They haven't grasped that concept yet. Little Billy code will still be in effect. There is a reason they are going to Xbox. They will put a different spin on it but the reality is they have screwed up the last 2 and fear sales will be way down. Going over to Xbox makes up for it.

@eatyum said in 20 perfect swings results in 4 hits:

This is revolutionary information. Thank you for letting me know this about 19, I'm sure it will all change now!

They will keep status quo so people like you can compete and reach levels you have never reached before.

@A_PerfectGame said in Perfect / perfect data:

So my question for perfect perfect is what about allstar and below? When I get to Hof/legend (although still many squared outs) It’s not as bad. on allstar you can go full games doing it for 9 innings. I felt like BR was just literally a random series of outcomes this year. The outcomes made zero sense. Besides the point.

My point is are the percentage of results across the board or HOF and above? Will results lower on lower difficulties do to the easier ability to hit the ball?

To be honest overall I was thinking about the game and how frustrating it is and I realized the good squared outs are not REALLY the problem. It’s that in combination with late weak hits and hitters with no plate vision able to foul off a million balls.

Anyway. Curious to know about data regarding difficulty and if that data changes?

Well, the timing window definitely needs to be adjusted from 19. You should never be able to swing very early and very late on a ball and make contact. This seemed to be enhanced when you were trailing. Basically another piece of the little billy code.

Also curious on how the perfect/perfect is handled in regards to pitch location. The only way you should get perfect/perfect swings on location is:
inside - early or good
middle - early, good or late
outside - good or late

IMO this is the way it should be. You can't account for every variable in hitting especially when coding into a video game. A late swing on inside pitch or early swing on outside pitch should result in very poor contact. Yes, sometimes resulting in a hit but that % should be very low. Way too high in 19. Also seemed to be dependent on the score. The score should have no reflection on any of this.

One of the reasons I am not purchasing 20. Expect more of the same this year.

@Rabid55Wolverine said in 20 perfect swings results in 4 hits:

I look forward to the same complaints in MLB 20, You'll be here

No chance. No ping indicator or matchmaking, no little billy code, no D_e_m_I_s_E. I'll still be visiting the forums to watch the "this is the greatest baseball game ever" from the Little Billy's that are winning games they shouldn't be competing in.

I'm not mad. This is what I expect any time I turn this game on and this is the reason I will not be purchasing 20. I will save my $100. I am not going to support a game that doesn't reward user input with my money.

I knew I was going to lose in the 1st inning when my diamond outfielder couldn't make a play on a routine ball that I could catch at my age. Then proceeded to be entertained by every squared up ball going for an out. I gave up in the 6th inning and just started throwing pitches down the middle. Again, no big deal. I see more of the same for 20 and have zero interest and will not miss this game.

If it is a [censored], I am going to call it a [censored]. If it was great, I would say that too.

I recently had a game where I struck out the guy 16 times and was tied 1-1 because everything I hit hard was right at him or foul. I play every once in a while for the hell of it but have no expectations and get constantly reminded of why I am not buying this year.

Playing another game and have 9 15 swings in 4 innings. What do I have my 2 hits on? My 11 mishits. Not one hit on my 15 swings.

I really like the 3 good/good and good/squared up swings with less exit velo than the pitch.

@DriveByTrucker17 said in Angrier than ever about the astros garbage now:

He’s a wimp, plain and simple. As spineless as they come. Goodell is loving all this, knowing for once he isn’t the most hated commissioner in the country.

He’s so clueless that he doesn’t realize the things he says just make people more and more upset. Nothing but sheer incompetence.

Players won’t let this go until a title gets vacated, or players get banned.

And telling teams “Hey, don’t hit these guys pretty please” isn’t going to do anything. Bring on the concussions. They deserve the worst.

If Manfred cares so much about the safety of Astros players, he’d punish them himself before they get hurt. But it’s too late for that now.

I agree. This commissioner is a pu55y. If you use steroids, rightfully so, you get suspended and most not put in the hof. Know what pitch is coming and get absolutely nothing. At the bare minimun the 2017 WS should have been vacated and at least some kind of suspension for the players.

The players will police this. Problem is this joke of a commissioner will address Astros players getting plunked at some point. Therefore, making the pitchers look like the bad guys instead of the clowns that cheated.

Also like seeing these players on top of lists like the top 100 and 10 best at their position. Do we even know how good they really are? I expect players stats to certainly fall some.

@A_PerfectGame said in So I I have to admit something here:

@D_e_m_I_s_E said in So I I have to admit something here:

@A_PerfectGame said in So I I have to admit something here:

Props to Mitch for his win. 12 runs on 15 hits. No errors Verse 4 runs on 9 hits no errors. Guys a beast for real. I already knew that though. Respect. Good game.

I would love to know each of your pings in this game. Just for entertainment purposes only.

I cannot complain personally about internet. I run on my wife’s business connection which is like 1000/1000 mbps and my ping in games is usually like a 4 lol. So I can’t blame Mitch winning on internet. He’s good man. Trust me.

That being said I feel like being good in the game is a combination of patience. Internet. Setup (controller and screen) and player reaction timing.

Wasn't saying anything. Just said I would love to know.

@A_PerfectGame said in So I I have to admit something here:

Props to Mitch for his win. 12 runs on 15 hits. No errors Verse 4 runs on 9 hits no errors. Guys a beast for real. I already knew that though. Respect. Good game.

I would love to know each of your pings in this game. Just for entertainment purposes only.

@A_PerfectGame said in Hitting Frustrations:

@D_e_m_I_s_E said in Hitting Frustrations:

@xxfireflyxx69 said in Haha:

@A_PerfectGame said in Haha:

@mitchhammond24 said in Haha:

Why don’t we actually play on 19 @A_PerfectGame .. shippett July 1 pm legend difficulty, god squads, I’ll stream. No excuses with that

19 is a bad version of the game. I’d play you in it— It proves nothing about player skill though...not impressive if I win or vice versa. I’ll play you day 1 on 20

I think if you played Mitch, you may realise that skill will win out more often than you think. I haven't played him, but I watched the last stream that happened through this forum and he is a beast. My online win record is 61 percent and I realised after watching that stream that it doesn't deserve to be higher because I'm simply not that good.

Are there faults with this game? For sure. Should those faults mean that you lose a third of your games? No! That's why the guys at the top of the leaderboards are there, consistently.

Is there any point to obsessing over those faults? No, not at this point of the cycle when they are not going to change anything.

The players at the top never change their internet and SDS never changes the coding. Top players will continue to be top players until a ping based indicator and ping based match making is implemented. Then and only then will you tuly see has skill. This is why online tournaments are a joke. I can pretty much say with certainty that Mitch would probably beat me handily if we played right now. I can also say with certainty the result would be different if we were to play on the same lan line.

I know most of you online "Gods" don't want to believe ping plays a major role in online gaming but it does, both good and bad depending on how the gaming company addresses it. It is why Battlefield region locked servers several years ago and COD went to ping based match making this year.

If they went to ping based match making some people would actually see an increase in their record and performance while others would see a decrease.

I agree with you on a lot of your complaints regarding little billy and giving the bad players help. I think that’s a thing. The top players having internet advantage?? I don’t agree. I’ve played a lot of these guys. They are good. Particularly good at hitting the fastball ANYWHERE ITS PLACED. when you play in the World Series league it’s a whole other animal of players. I’m finding out just getting there. And staying there are very different things...I used to just get there and move on to other stuff because I got the reward. But it’s actually the most fun and competitive games once you are there. Since I’ve been in World Series this time around I’ve actually been playing games in the league...I haven’t noticed a lot of squared outs and I def DONT feel like my losses have been “chance”. When I lose in WS my opponent earned it.

My gripe is...getting there seems very much chance. Especially on allstar it’s a complete [censored] shoot. But once you are there. The game play improves tremendously and I wish I would had known that all season.

They need to make the game that competitive across the board. If I put up 15 runs on a guy that’s not good so be it. I feel like sometimes I’ll get 15 squared outs and lose to late weak hits...and SDS in trying to help the lesser player is really just screwing the better one...

You do realize how gaming works right? Your information is sent back and forth to the servers to interpret what happens. The time it takes for that information to get to and from the server is your ping. Due to the ping discrepancies, every game that I know puts in code to account for these changes. The problem is when someone with 10 ping plays someone with 150 ping, the server can't sync this up regardless of the code. That is why I say two people playing with 50 ping each will be a much smoother game than the 10 and 150.

I can't say exactly what the ping of top players is because I don't have access to that information. They could be right next to the server and that gives them a boost. What I suspect is they are just sitting in the ping sweet spot (my guess would be about 100). Did you ever play COD when the host had a huge advantage? The host had zero ping so what they saw was exactly what was happening while everyone else was delayed (how much depended on the ping). Gaming is not like this anymore as they need to make the game fair to the most people so that is the way the game is coded. The majority of gamers have bad internet. It is just a fact. Better to [censored] off the few that have good internet than the thousands that don't. Like I said the thing about top players is just an educated guess. SDS has access to these numbers.

So you have never played a game on MLB where the pitch speeds seemed slower or faster than usual? I see it all the time. I have played many games where it feels like pitchers are throwing 120 mph. I have also had times where it felt like 80. How good would you be if most of your games the pitchers felt like they were throwing 80? How about 120? Just think of how many ms you have to react to the pitch in this game. If that code is not done correct or can't sync up right, it doesn't take much to drastically change the outcome of the game. That is just with pitching. I suspect this to be a huge cause of the good/good right down the middle. It would also explain balls in the pci being okay and weak and hitting balls hard not close to pci.

@BIGHOOV2713 said in Perfect / perfect data:

@D_e_m_I_s_E said in Perfect / perfect data:

@D_e_m_I_s_E said in Perfect / perfect data:

@BIGHOOV2713 said in Perfect / perfect data:

@D_e_m_I_s_E said in Perfect / perfect data:

@A_PerfectGame said in Perfect / perfect data:

So my question for perfect perfect is what about allstar and below? When I get to Hof/legend (although still many squared outs) It’s not as bad. on allstar you can go full games doing it for 9 innings. I felt like BR was just literally a random series of outcomes this year. The outcomes made zero sense. Besides the point.

My point is are the percentage of results across the board or HOF and above? Will results lower on lower difficulties do to the easier ability to hit the ball?

To be honest overall I was thinking about the game and how frustrating it is and I realized the good squared outs are not REALLY the problem. It’s that in combination with late weak hits and hitters with no plate vision able to foul off a million balls.

Anyway. Curious to know about data regarding difficulty and if that data changes?

Well, the timing window definitely needs to be adjusted from 19. You should never be able to swing very early and very late on a ball and make contact. This seemed to be enhanced when you were trailing. Basically another piece of the little billy code.

Also curious on how the perfect/perfect is handled in regards to pitch location. The only way you should get perfect/perfect swings on location is:
inside - early or good
middle - early, good or late
outside - good or late

IMO this is the way it should be. You can't account for every variable in hitting especially when coding into a video game. A late swing on inside pitch or early swing on outside pitch should result in very poor contact. Yes, sometimes resulting in a hit but that % should be very low. Way too high in 19. Also seemed to be dependent on the score. The score should have no reflection on any of this.

So, should SDS get rid of the "Rally Monkey" perk/quirk?

I know not every time was due to this perk/quirk, but of course, if it is coded into the game that the player card (that has the perk/quirk) is up to the plate and his team is behind late in the game...I mean, it's kind of false advertisement if he at least doesn't battle at the plate (elite player or not).

One of the biggest causes for the barrage of foul balls, other than the "window" and the 125 contact players, is the ability to move almost the entire PCI out of the "strike zone". There were tons of strikeouts in '17 then in '18 one could virtually move the PCI anywhere on the screen to make contact with any pitch. I totally understand that one should be able to swing out of the strike zone (move the PCI anywhere), but there should be some kind of contact/power penalty by swinging out of the zone. Think of it like playing a fielder at his secondary position or even out of position. Something like that. Battling at the plate should not be swinging at a 75 mph curveball like it is a 99 fastball and making contact. If you swing in real baseball at a 99 mph fastball and get a 90 mph change-up, you are not touching that pitch.

You have to realize that baseball is such an intrique game with so many variables that a video game can't possibly replicate everything. For instance with hitting, players can pull a low outside slider for a HR. The majority can't and that is ideally not how you would hit that ball. Best is a later swing to the opposite field. So what the video game should do is penalize the early swing on a low outside pitch and only reward good and late. Also like your example of swinging outside the zone. Yes, some people hit those balls hard every once in a while but most times they are not.

I too was fine with being able to go outside the strike zone with the PCI. I think most people would agree the timing window was way out of whack. To constantly fool people and have them foul off balls non-stop was ridiculous. Certainly seemed to me this feature was enhanced if you were behind.

Battling at the plate should not be swinging at a 75 mph curveball like it is a 99 fastball and making contact. If you swing in real baseball at a 99 mph fastball and get a 90 mph change-up, you are not touching that pitch.

Agreed. No argument here. I was just saying that the perk/quirk may account for some of that (along with the 20/20 perk as well I think).

I was asking if you think that removal of that perk/quirk would relieve us of some of the foul ball parades. lol

I am not a big fan of any perks. However, with that being said, I could see the rally monkey perk maybe raising your hit % by a certain mark. Maybe if the good/good hit % is 60, when rally perk is triggered it goes to 70. Something like that. It shouldn't have anything to do with the timing window.

When you let people swinging for 99 fastballs foul off every pitch and when your good/good releases hang over the plate (another huge issue this year. I don't know if this was a server issue or code issue. Seemed to hang more pitches against laggy opponents which would say server. Ping indicator and match making would help this a lot), you basically take pitching out of the game.

@D_e_m_I_s_E said in Perfect / perfect data:

@BIGHOOV2713 said in Perfect / perfect data:

@D_e_m_I_s_E said in Perfect / perfect data:

@A_PerfectGame said in Perfect / perfect data:

So my question for perfect perfect is what about allstar and below? When I get to Hof/legend (although still many squared outs) It’s not as bad. on allstar you can go full games doing it for 9 innings. I felt like BR was just literally a random series of outcomes this year. The outcomes made zero sense. Besides the point.

My point is are the percentage of results across the board or HOF and above? Will results lower on lower difficulties do to the easier ability to hit the ball?

To be honest overall I was thinking about the game and how frustrating it is and I realized the good squared outs are not REALLY the problem. It’s that in combination with late weak hits and hitters with no plate vision able to foul off a million balls.

Anyway. Curious to know about data regarding difficulty and if that data changes?

Well, the timing window definitely needs to be adjusted from 19. You should never be able to swing very early and very late on a ball and make contact. This seemed to be enhanced when you were trailing. Basically another piece of the little billy code.

Also curious on how the perfect/perfect is handled in regards to pitch location. The only way you should get perfect/perfect swings on location is:
inside - early or good
middle - early, good or late
outside - good or late

IMO this is the way it should be. You can't account for every variable in hitting especially when coding into a video game. A late swing on inside pitch or early swing on outside pitch should result in very poor contact. Yes, sometimes resulting in a hit but that % should be very low. Way too high in 19. Also seemed to be dependent on the score. The score should have no reflection on any of this.

So, should SDS get rid of the "Rally Monkey" perk/quirk?

I know not every time was due to this perk/quirk, but of course, if it is coded into the game that the player card (that has the perk/quirk) is up to the plate and his team is behind late in the game...I mean, it's kind of false advertisement if he at least doesn't battle at the plate (elite player or not).

One of the biggest causes for the barrage of foul balls, other than the "window" and the 125 contact players, is the ability to move almost the entire PCI out of the "strike zone". There were tons of strikeouts in '17 then in '18 one could virtually move the PCI anywhere on the screen to make contact with any pitch. I totally understand that one should be able to swing out of the strike zone (move the PCI anywhere), but there should be some kind of contact/power penalty by swinging out of the zone. Think of it like playing a fielder at his secondary position or even out of position. Something like that. Battling at the plate should not be swinging at a 75 mph curveball like it is a 99 fastball and making contact. If you swing in real baseball at a 99 mph fastball and get a 90 mph change-up, you are not touching that pitch.

You have to realize that baseball is such an intrique game with so many variables that a video game can't possibly replicate everything. For instance with hitting, players can pull a low outside slider for a HR. The majority can't and that is ideally not how you would hit that ball. Best is a later swing to the opposite field. So what the video game should do is penalize the early swing on a low outside pitch and only reward good and late. Also like your example of swinging outside the zone. Yes, some people hit those balls hard every once in a while but most times they are not.

I too was fine with being able to go outside the strike zone with the PCI. I think most people would agree the timing window was way out of whack. To constantly fool people and have them foul off balls non-stop was ridiculous. Certainly seemed to me this feature was enhanced if you were behind.

Battling at the plate should not be swinging at a 75 mph curveball like it is a 99 fastball and making contact. If you swing in real baseball at a 99 mph fastball and get a 90 mph change-up, you are not touching that pitch.

@BIGHOOV2713 said in Perfect / perfect data:

@D_e_m_I_s_E said in Perfect / perfect data:

@A_PerfectGame said in Perfect / perfect data:

So my question for perfect perfect is what about allstar and below? When I get to Hof/legend (although still many squared outs) It’s not as bad. on allstar you can go full games doing it for 9 innings. I felt like BR was just literally a random series of outcomes this year. The outcomes made zero sense. Besides the point.

My point is are the percentage of results across the board or HOF and above? Will results lower on lower difficulties do to the easier ability to hit the ball?

To be honest overall I was thinking about the game and how frustrating it is and I realized the good squared outs are not REALLY the problem. It’s that in combination with late weak hits and hitters with no plate vision able to foul off a million balls.

Anyway. Curious to know about data regarding difficulty and if that data changes?

Well, the timing window definitely needs to be adjusted from 19. You should never be able to swing very early and very late on a ball and make contact. This seemed to be enhanced when you were trailing. Basically another piece of the little billy code.

Also curious on how the perfect/perfect is handled in regards to pitch location. The only way you should get perfect/perfect swings on location is:
inside - early or good
middle - early, good or late
outside - good or late

IMO this is the way it should be. You can't account for every variable in hitting especially when coding into a video game. A late swing on inside pitch or early swing on outside pitch should result in very poor contact. Yes, sometimes resulting in a hit but that % should be very low. Way too high in 19. Also seemed to be dependent on the score. The score should have no reflection on any of this.

So, should SDS get rid of the "Rally Monkey" perk/quirk?

I know not every time was due to this perk/quirk, but of course, if it is coded into the game that the player card (that has the perk/quirk) is up to the plate and his team is behind late in the game...I mean, it's kind of false advertisement if he at least doesn't battle at the plate (elite player or not).

One of the biggest causes for the barrage of foul balls, other than the "window" and the 125 contact players, is the ability to move almost the entire PCI out of the "strike zone". There were tons of strikeouts in '17 then in '18 one could virtually move the PCI anywhere on the screen to make contact with any pitch. I totally understand that one should be able to swing out of the strike zone (move the PCI anywhere), but there should be some kind of contact/power penalty by swinging out of the zone. Think of it like playing a fielder at his secondary position or even out of position. Something like that. Battling at the plate should not be swinging at a 75 mph curveball like it is a 99 fastball and making contact. If you swing in real baseball at a 99 mph fastball and get a 90 mph change-up, you are not touching that pitch.

You have to realize that baseball is such an intrique game with so many variables that a video game can't possibly replicate everything. For instance with hitting, players can pull a low outside slider for a HR. The majority can't and that is ideally not how you would hit that ball. Best is a later swing to the opposite field. So what the video game should do is penalize the early swing on a low outside pitch and only reward good and late. Also like your example of swinging outside the zone. Yes, some people hit those balls hard every once in a while but most times they are not.

I too was fine with being able to go outside the strike zone with the PCI. I think most people would agree the timing window was way out of whack. To constantly fool people and have them foul off balls non-stop was ridiculous. Certainly seemed to me this feature was enhanced if you were behind.

@SefarR said in Haha:

@D_e_m_I_s_E said in Haha:

Now there is a chance I could be completely wrong and people like Rebel could be right next to the server and have low ping. I highly doubt it though. There is a sweet spot in the code for ping and more than likely your top players are sitting there. So they are seeing the game same as the servers. These are the times you see the ball in the PCI for okay contact, missed animations, balls you miss with the pci being good/good, etc. SDS could see this by seeing the ping time to the server from all the top players in the game. They have access to this information, I do not.

So you're saying that me using wi-fi compared to ethernet cord would not influence my ping at all as it's solely determined on my internet speed and my distance from the servers?

My ping on pubg wired and wireless with google fiber is around 10-40 at all times. Guess that depends on the quality of wireless and wired you have.

No clue what it is on MLB but I will say I can hardly win a game when wired. I would guess like a 10-50 record. So my record on wireless is much better.

@mitchhammond24 said in Haha:

@D_e_m_I_s_E said in Haha:

@xxfireflyxx69 said in Haha:

@A_PerfectGame said in Haha:

@mitchhammond24 said in Haha:

Why don’t we actually play on 19 @A_PerfectGame .. shippett July 1 pm legend difficulty, god squads, I’ll stream. No excuses with that

19 is a bad version of the game. I’d play you in it— It proves nothing about player skill though...not impressive if I win or vice versa. I’ll play you day 1 on 20

I think if you played Mitch, you may realise that skill will win out more often than you think. I haven't played him, but I watched the last stream that happened through this forum and he is a beast. My online win record is 61 percent and I realised after watching that stream that it doesn't deserve to be higher because I'm simply not that good.

Are there faults with this game? For sure. Should those faults mean that you lose a third of your games? No! That's why the guys at the top of the leaderboards are there, consistently.

Is there any point to obsessing over those faults? No, not at this point of the cycle when they are not going to change anything.

The players at the top never change their internet and SDS never changes the coding. Top players will continue to be top players until a ping based indicator and ping based match making is implemented. Then and only then will you tuly see has skill. This is why online tournaments are a joke. I can pretty much say with certainty that Mitch would probably beat me handily if we played right now. I can also say with certainty the result would be different if we were to play on the same lan line.

I know most of you online "Gods" don't want to believe ping plays a major role in online gaming but it does, both good and bad depending on how the gaming company addresses it. It is why Battlefield region locked servers several years ago and COD went to ping based match making this year.

If they went to ping based match making some people would actually see an increase in their record and performance while others would see a decrease.

How bout this. Since you’re saying it’s connection based, we should both play the cpu offline and see who puts up more runs. That would have nothing to do with ping and it would show that ur just not as skilled as you think you are. Cotw too.. why haven’t u won cotw? It’s not h2h. If you’re that good you should be able to put up a more impressive cotw score than me

I guess you don't realize I am 50 years old. How old are you? 25? 30? Never claimed to be a top 100 player. Just advising you how games are made today and that connections play a huge part in online gaming. Regardless if I am 10-100 or 100-10, I will state if there are issues with any game that I play that I am passionate about. They could throw up a ping indicator and ping based match making and I still wouldn't be a top 100 player. I just simply don't have the video game quickness any more. Same as I can't play volleyball and basketball like I used to. I can still beat the majority of people in softball and dodgeball though.

@SefarR said in Haha:

@D_e_m_I_s_E said in Haha:

And if they ever grab a clue and match make based on ping like they should be doing, most of the top players wouldn't be where they are. Maybe some day SDS will pull their head out and implement this. Would be fun to see the top players cry because they are no longer playing slow pitch softball.
You do realize a very small % of people (even with the Little Billy code) make the WS right?

I think I will do an experiment on this. There's been so much talk about connection influencing pitch speeds that I need to verify this independently. Will be using a wi-fi connection for a few games instead of the ethernet cord to see what changes - and if something does change, to what extent.

That is impossible to do without knowing the ping speeds of the opponent. If both players are pinging 50, the game will be smooth, as intended and players should see the game exactly how the server sees it. If one is pinging 30 and the other is 130, their is going to be a disprepancy on what people are seeing on the server. Depending on how the code is but the majority of gamers have garbage internet. This is just a fact.

Now there is a chance I could be completely wrong and people like Rebel could be right next to the server and have low ping. I highly doubt it though. There is a sweet spot in the code for ping and more than likely your top players are sitting there. So they are seeing the game same as the servers. These are the times you see the ball in the PCI for okay contact, missed animations, balls you miss with the pci being good/good, etc. SDS could see this by seeing the ping time to the server from all the top players in the game. They have access to this information, I do not.