I don’t remember people asking for juiced up pitch speeds and pci the size of legend from last year? Every game on hall of fame is a pitcher duel with whoever gives up a hanger or doesn’t get good okay all game hitting a bomb or two wins. Sds absolutely ruined what was a great hitting design before the stupid patch.

This patch appears to fix nothing in the hitting engine, just shows you why you got the result you did....problem is good/okay contact on balls right down the middle with good timing with the ball in the center of the pci is going to make the hitting engine look like even more of an rng joke when getting good Okay’d lmao!

https://youtu.be/i4xcaDeC2SY

These cards are great imo and not overpowered compared to many cards yet to be released. Love that these cards are actually usable compared to the trash topps now cards from last year

This is a dumb move by sds. I think most people would’ve preferred multiple higher overalls of good current players or legends like say a 91 then 94 then a 97 and finally a 99 of cards like say Griffey and miggy. Nobody wants this and it’s kinda disrespectful.

Thank you so much sds for giving bad teams with trash live series like my Detroit tigers the worst overall rating cards in both stage 1 &2 of team affinity. There is absolutely no reason for me to grind for this trash and for a player that isn’t even that high in the farm system over much better prospects. Clearly you are clueless and if a competitor like 2k comes back I will purchase their game and be done with your monopoly over baseball games in which you are showing you’ve become incompetent

I’d rather use a tv to game while relaxing than hunkering down in front of a monitor to get the best advantage

They have Riley Greene who is their best prospect and raked already in spring training and they chose a trash prospect in Dax Cameron. I don’t speak on your teams farm system acting like I know what I’m talking about.

Thanks for letting us know, I’m switching back to DJ airhorn asap

Hof is an absolute nightmare, pitch speeds are much higher than last year in ranked and every game is 5 or less hits on both sides with whoever doesn’t get screwed on good okay to hit a bomb wins

If we don’t get a next gen mlb the show 21 it’ll be pretty pathetic considering both nba2k and madden went next gen already when the show has had more time to work on their game.

When people pause for 2 minutes every inning they’re doing it to either [censored] you off, get in your head or slow your momentum. I make sure to replay every homerun against these types of players

I hate the randomness of quick counts

@KILLERPRESENCE4 said in So Verlander’s attributes were changed, huh?:

@Chuck_Dizzle29 said in So Verlander’s attributes were changed, huh?:

@KILLERPRESENCE4 said in So Verlander’s attributes were changed, huh?:

@maurice91932 said in So Verlander’s attributes were changed, huh?:

@KILLERPRESENCE4 said in So Verlander’s attributes were changed, huh?:

@maurice91932 said in So Verlander’s attributes were changed, huh?:

@KILLERPRESENCE4 said in So Verlander’s attributes were changed, huh?:

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@KILLERPRESENCE4 said in So Verlander’s attributes were changed, huh?:

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@KILLERPRESENCE4 said in So Verlander’s attributes were changed, huh?:

@Chuck_Dizzle29 said in So Verlander’s attributes were changed, huh?:

@KILLERPRESENCE4 said in So Verlander’s attributes were changed, huh?:

@maurice91932 said in So Verlander’s attributes were changed, huh?:

@KILLERPRESENCE4 said in So Verlander’s attributes were changed, huh?:

@maurice91932 said in So Verlander’s attributes were changed, huh?:

@KILLERPRESENCE4 said in So Verlander’s attributes were changed, huh?:

As for Musials speed, he played in ballparks that were much larger than what we see in today’s game. Many of these ballparks had enormous outfields (power ally’s that were 400 plus, center fields that were 450 plus. Yet the lines were 270. That was the beauty of these ballparks, how asymmetrical they were. So Musial just exploited the dimensions of many of these ballparks to his benefit. So quit whining about something as superfluous as Musials speed attribute.

All people can do is hurl insults and try to silence people from voicing legitimate criticisms by making appeals to some sort of macho idea of “not whining.” It isn’t whining to want to know how they came up with the speed attribute.

And by the way, Musial played half his games at Sportsman Park. That park was not big at all.

Go grunt on another thread, tough guy.

Tough guy??? Who the efff are you??? I didn’t make any threatening remarks and yet you respond like that. I simply pointed out facts and I never called anybody a name. Whether you want to believe the facts (ball parks during his era were larger and far more asymmetrical than current ones, that is a fact) is on you. How about you actually do your research before actually attacking others. And sportsman’s park was 420 to centerfield for your information. A slow catcher could get a triple to that part of the ballpark. So shut your whining mouth kid.

Now I’m scared. At first I thought you chose your own profile name but now I realize it was a title you have earned.

Lol.

Beat it, kid.

Yep that’s the response I expect from people like you. When others present facts to someone like you, you just try to yell over the top of them and call them names and continue screaming. Please cry some more while I laugh at the absolute absurdity of this troll post.

All the while you've dodged actual fact driven posts for the sake of carrying on some personal vendetta out of spite.

Presenting the use of facts, without actually presenting any, does not bode well for increasing the appearance of one's intelligence.

The hill you want to die on (Stadium Size) actually hurts your argument that Stan should be slower. All these legends older than Stan played in parks the same size or bigger

https://www.ballparksofbaseball.com/ballparks/crosley-field/

Here are some facts on classic ball parks. You’ll see that sizes of ball parks prior to the cookie cutters of the 70’s and 80’s and current stadiums pale in comparison. And due to the asymmetrical nature of these stadiums it made for some interesting hitting situations. The only stadium that has a comparable centerfield to many of the classic stadiums is Comerica in Detroit (420 to dead center) and AT&T in San Francisco (421 to triples ally right center field gap)

You're dense and I can see that. Let's take this slowly here. If Stan Musial has similar stats to Ruth, Gehrig,and Foxx while playing in similarly sized stadiums, how does Musial have 50 speed and the others are over 60?

I guess you have zero understanding of analytics so I will no longer respond to your ignorance. Have a nice day complaining about a video game that slights a player that you believe is some sort of sneaky speed demon. Lol

Musial was faster than babe and all those guys by quite a bit yet he is slower than babe and foxx in game. From what i can tell is that you are trying to compare it to today's players by comparing stadiums but musial isn't faster than today's players. I don't anyone thinks he is as fast as a mookie betts or a trout but again he is faster than ruth. His speed should be higher. How they figure old time guys speed is a mystery that probably should be explained.

There is no evidence to support their claim that Musial is in fact faster than the players they mention. Using stats from then to now is not evidence it’s anecdotal which by its nature is not evidence. I can make the claim that Gary Sheffield was pretty fast however his stolen base attempts don’t suggest this. Neither does his career doubles or triples also don’t support this claim hence the term anecdotal. We certainly can’t make a claim that Musial was faster than Babe as they didn’t play in the same era and I’m quite sure they never had a foot race. Sourcing stats like triples and doubles doesn’t make a quality argument. Maybe Babe didn’t try to stretch a double into a triple when he had the opportunity to or maybe he was instructed by his coaches to not try to do such things based on the team’s philosophy regarding this stuff. Or personal preferences. It’s just not a legitimate argument. I can only conclude that stadium size probably had a lot to do with Stans ability to leg out as many triples as he did. But it certainly doesn’t prove who was a faster player.

I don’t think you know what “anecdotal” means.

If I were to say, “Musial hit more triples than Babe Ruth, and therefore all players from the 1940s were faster than players in the 1920s,” that would be anecdotal evidence and therefore, not evidence to support the claim.

Comparing two or more players directly is not anecdotal. The distance between bases were the same in Ruth’s day as they were in Musial’s. They played in similar ballparks, or even smaller for Musial. It isn’t anecdotal. It’s a fair comparison and the stats don’t lie.

Anecdotal means evidence that is collected in a casual or informal manner and relying heavily or entirely on personal testimony. This is also called presumptive evidence. Which is exactly what you and your buddy are doing. You are making presumption about something that can’t be quantified. You argue based on a stat that has nothing to do with speed. One could hit a 480 foot line drive at the polo grounds and I could say my grandma could leg that out for a triple. I have no basis of fact to make this statement as my grandma has been dead for 25 years and the polo grounds is just a parking lot now. The comment has zero merit because it’s purely speculative. I’m not sure how you two are not grasping this point. Unless you put these individuals in a foot race together and have the correct measuring tools available you cannot make a fact based argument that anything that you’re arguing is even remotely valid. This would be called empirical evidence which is something you do not have. Hell I can Freddie Freeman is one of the greatest base stealers of all time as he has a nearly 90 percent success rate when he does attempt it. I would however be laughed at for making that statement because he is neither a base stealer nor a fast runner based on the empirical evidence that is available to counter my statement. All you want to do is whine and complain about something as mundane as Stan Musials 47 speed.

Okay, then why are you opposed to giving him 60 speed?

I’m not, but you guys haven’t given me any info which suggest that SDS made some egregious error. To me it’s just complaining over nothing

You've provided zero evidence to support not raising his speed rating. You also brought up the field sizes first. You are now trying to strawman the discussion because you've failed to make a point and wish for us to do it for you ‍️

Please continue your useless crusade buddy. What a waste of time. And yes I regret having gotten sucked in. I should’ve just laughed at how ridiculous the subject matter was and moved on. Lesson learned. Peace

This guy lmfao

@Freddy_Sez said in So Verlander’s attributes were changed, huh?:

Not sure if this was posted in any previous threads on the topic, but this got me intrigued and I found this an Interesting article:

https://blogs.fangraphs.com/stan-musial-hit-the-heck-out-of-some-triples/

Their research puts his speed as average for today, slightly above average for his era.

Good article but it didn’t explain why he had just as many triples on the road where ballpark dimensions weren’t as favorable for hitting triples as his home ball park. Stan really was the ultimate outlier when it came to xbh

@KILLERPRESENCE4 said in So Verlander’s attributes were changed, huh?:

@maurice91932 said in So Verlander’s attributes were changed, huh?:

@KILLERPRESENCE4 said in So Verlander’s attributes were changed, huh?:

@maurice91932 said in So Verlander’s attributes were changed, huh?:

@KILLERPRESENCE4 said in So Verlander’s attributes were changed, huh?:

As for Musials speed, he played in ballparks that were much larger than what we see in today’s game. Many of these ballparks had enormous outfields (power ally’s that were 400 plus, center fields that were 450 plus. Yet the lines were 270. That was the beauty of these ballparks, how asymmetrical they were. So Musial just exploited the dimensions of many of these ballparks to his benefit. So quit whining about something as superfluous as Musials speed attribute.

All people can do is hurl insults and try to silence people from voicing legitimate criticisms by making appeals to some sort of macho idea of “not whining.” It isn’t whining to want to know how they came up with the speed attribute.

And by the way, Musial played half his games at Sportsman Park. That park was not big at all.

Go grunt on another thread, tough guy.

Tough guy??? Who the efff are you??? I didn’t make any threatening remarks and yet you respond like that. I simply pointed out facts and I never called anybody a name. Whether you want to believe the facts (ball parks during his era were larger and far more asymmetrical than current ones, that is a fact) is on you. How about you actually do your research before actually attacking others. And sportsman’s park was 420 to centerfield for your information. A slow catcher could get a triple to that part of the ballpark. So shut your whining mouth kid.

Now I’m scared. At first I thought you chose your own profile name but now I realize it was a title you have earned.

Lol.

Beat it, kid.

Yep that’s the response I expect from people like you. When others present facts to someone like you, you just try to yell over the top of them and call them names and continue screaming. Please cry some more while I laugh at the absolute absurdity of this troll post.

Musial hit triples and doubles at a higher clip than Babe as well as a higher steal rate success. Why does babe then have 60 speed compared to Stan’s 47? Doesn’t really add up

@the_dragon1912 said in So Verlander’s attributes were changed, huh?:

@shawnzinator13 said in So Verlander’s attributes were changed, huh?:

@the_dragon1912 said in So Verlander’s attributes were changed, huh?:

I don’t Know how many times we have to tell you the they don’t base speed on F’n triples man. Am I saying Stan’s speed is accurate? Idk. But using triples as your only argument is stupid

As another tigers fan here it seems pretty logical to me and far from stupid to expect a guy who led the league in triples to have more than 47 speed shrug. If people wanna be rude and get annoyed by you campaigning for something let em.

And I get that, and don’t really disagree with the OP, as Stan should probably have speed somewhere around where Babe, Foxx, Gehrig are. I just Think it’s a lost cause on increasing stans speed as it was 53 in 18 and 19 and 47(50 when prestiged) now. It’s just too late for anything to happen with it

Most definitely is a lost cause for this year but you never know, his campaigning could lead to next years Stan card getting higher speed. I just don’t understand why it bothers people so much when people make topics on something people think are inaccurate. People can be swayed if there are enough facts but sometimes you just have to agree to disagree respectfully. I’ve visited this board frequently consistently all year and don’t even remember seeing posts complaining about stans speed but it’s prolly bc the topic title didn’t interest me so I just skimmed past it bothering me none.

@the_dragon1912 said in So Verlander’s attributes were changed, huh?:

I don’t Know how many times we have to tell you the they don’t base speed on F’n triples man. Am I saying Stan’s speed is accurate? Idk. But using triples as your only argument is stupid

As another tigers fan here it seems pretty logical to me and far from stupid to expect a guy who led the league in triples to have more than 47 speed shrug. If people wanna be rude and get annoyed by you campaigning for something let em.

@MaxHarvest said in So Verlander’s attributes were changed, huh?:

@maurice91932 said in So Verlander’s attributes were changed, huh?:

Pretty weak.

I think I proved that Stan Musial should have a higher speed attribute. My guy has more triples than anyone born in the 20th century. The only people with more triples than Stan are guys that played on fields with no fences. Then SDS disrespects him with 47 speed. Not even fast enough to hit a triple in any park but Polo. Lol

People said triples and stolen bases weren’t really about speed, though. Ummm, okay....

Then Mookie steals a few bases in the post season, and he goes from 62 speed to 72 speed for his Finest card (75 after prestige).

Now JV had less than top notch velo and people complained so SDS changed it.

Whack. No consistency.

If you could get Stan musials son to publicly complain via twitter and @ sds then you might have a chance. However reality is your just a plebeian to them and you don’t really matter. Not saying I agree but that’s the difference, Verls bro posting on Twitter is the only reason it was changed not the 100 posts on tsn or all the complaints on their social media accounts

This right here. Sds wants to please public figures more than make changes bc of the community. Honestly things like the fielding and increased exit velo probably wouldn’t have been improved nearly as much if it wasn’t for sds listening to the content creators, this just seems to be the way it is more than not.

@IIJACKINTHBOXII said in Verlanders velo is 99 now:

@beanball0571 said in Verlanders velo is 99 now:

It’s because his brother tweeted that he averaged 100 during that cy young year. Just proves that they have no idea what they are doing. Fairbanks was averaging 100 mph in the playoffs but they gave him a fb at 96 mph before people complained

Actually Verlander averaged 95.5mph on his fastball in 2011.

Yeah he said his brother was throwing 99-100 in the 7th, 8th and 9th inning which he was consistently, not that he was averaging a 100